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I bought this quarter to go along with my birth year error set. The seller advertised it as having a 'die crack', however the marks (there are two of them, the bottom one runs somewhat parallel to the first but is along the rim and not as long) from about 6 o'clock to 8 are some sort of gouges. I'd be the first to say 'PMD,' however being struck partially out of collar and the MS condition its in maybe the machine gouged it somehow? Could this have been caused by the machine kicking out the coin or feeder arms or something of that nature?  Any error expert help would be greatly appreciated! Edited by mitchhailey
04/02/2012 02:00 am
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I am no expert but what I see is a slight MAD and PMD. It looks like a scratch. Do you have a pic of the edge to show the partially out of collar? John1  Edited by John1
04/02/2012 04:21 am
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Rest in Peace
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I agree with PMD. From what I was always told it doesn't matter if the damage happened at the mint right after it was struck. I was told mint errors occur as the coin is being struck or before. Any damage to the coin after the intial strike, even if it happens in the mint, is considered PMD. Part of the problem is it's vertually impossible to confirm the damage happened in the mint. |
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I agree. I do have pics to show the out of collar, but they aren't great so I'll post some other ones later. I'm kinda ticked...from the pics I saw I couldn't tell it was gouged and I was hoping for some sort of die break.
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If it is a raised ridge, its a die crack.
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Rest in Peace
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You can tell from the photo it is not a die crack. As the line goes through the I of "IN" it goes to the left over the rim and across the unstruck area of the coin caused by the partial collar strike. A die crack would not only be raised but would also stop at the edge of the die.
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I know its not a crack.
I didn't really look at the pics before I pulled the trigger on a B.I.N. I assumed the seller, who sells coins, knew whether or not it was a crack and without really looking at the pics too close trusted his description. My mistake.
My question is if there is any likely explanation as to how the damage did happen or could have happened AT the mint and not after the coin left.
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Pillar of the Community
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I zoomed in. It looks struck through, perhaps a wire. Look closely at the top of the 9 in the date. Note how the line does not follow the line in the field. This looks like the wire was punched down into the recessed 9 on the die. Also the bottom of the T in Trust is not touched. If this was post strike the T would have been mauled. There is some build up where the line meets the 8 but I can't make it out.
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Perhaps a sliver of the collar. It looks like sharp edges.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Looks like a deep scratch on a partial collar coin.
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Pillar of the Community
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You are just the person I was going to seek help from on this one.
For what its worth this coin has seen zero circulation. Someone knew what this was and pulled it right away so it doesn't seem likely that the scratch happened in the wild or once in the collector's hands.
I didn't know if there was some obvious explanation as to how this could have happened to this coin while still in the confines of the mint facility, as in something like; "Oh, yeah. Looks like it probably got kicked out the side hatch of the dingle hopper machine" or something along those lines.
If there is no such explanation then so be it. It just kills me not to know! Into the Curious Pile of Post Mint Damage That I'll Never Figure Out it goes.
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Those super close ups are real nice,what are you using? John1 |
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I have some pennies from a bank roll (1963) that have a deep scratch on it. I know it's PMD and may have happened at the coin rolling company. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Coin counters/coin wrappers/bag/bin marks. What ever, the coin is damaged. I was hoping for a struck through wire, but from your images I can see it is something scraping across the face of the coin. My hunch would be a coin counter damage.
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John,
I used my macro setting with this old broken off microscope aperture (just the magnification part) that my father-in-law gave me. It was kind of a last ditch effort to get some decent pics because I was getting frustrated, but it turned out fairly well so I was pleasently surprised.
Thanks for all the input from everyone!
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