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 Posted 04/04/2012  03:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add the-purple-penny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would tend to just agree with anything markn "the clip king" says.

I disagree that fishtailing has no relationship to the clip. I think it is a major contributing factor when determining if the clip is real or fake.
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 Posted 04/04/2012  04:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The "Fishtailing" is caused by a deteriorating die and not the clip. I have examples of this date with the "Fishtailing" but no clip. it is nothing more than coincidence and has nothing to do with the clip.


Entirely disagree. Fishtailing is a sign of radial metal flow not die wear. It's seen on clips and it's seen on out of collar mis-strikes. I can put up a number of images showing fish tailing on design elements around clips and on coins whose strike was un-restrained by a collar.
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 Posted 04/04/2012  05:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK I will post some images after all. Apologies for the size. The first is an elliptical clip. You can see clear fish tailing around on the legends on the left side of the coin as this area was un-restrained by the collar. Conversely there's no fishtailing on the legends on the right side of the coin as this was constrained by the collar. The second image is an out of collar 50c. This shows fishtailing of the legends around the entire circumference of the coin. Because of course there was no collar to stop the metal flowing outwards.

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 Posted 04/04/2012  05:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK here's one more for giggles. It's a $2 we got last week. You can see clear fish tailing on the LIA of Australia on the obverse right near the clip. And no fish tailing anywhere else. Fishtailing is a result of unconstrained radial metal flow, not deteriorated dies.

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