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2011 50c Die Crack Or Lamination Flaw?

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 Posted 04/03/2012  10:08 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add RAD change to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Could I please get some opinions on what I think are either die cracks or lamination flaws on this coin?


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 Posted 04/03/2012  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrcruise to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definately Cuds
I would say 2009 50c coin
Common on 2009 but haven't seen on other years
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 Posted 04/03/2012  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cud on the left.

right looks like its indented so I would say PMD or planchet flaw/metal peel.
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The 3 small bumps on the top left of the shield in Picture #3 are the Kangaroos paw and are normally visible on all COA 50c.

I don't see any evidence of a die crack or lam flaw, so I'm not sure which part of the other pictures you think might be errors, but if it's the extra metal along the top right of the shield, that's most likely from a worn die.

Cuds do occur on the right top corner of the 2010 50c and also on the bottom right, but they don't look like this coin.

Here's a link to a 2010 with Cuds: http://www.ebay.com/itm/15078684071....m1438.l2649

Hope this helps.

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 Posted 04/03/2012  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add airgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with Nancy. 100% correct
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Wow, thank you nancyc! And to everyone else for your input.
Look what you led me to find!

Hope they look as clear on the photos as they do to me...

First two are of left bottom of shield, and third is bottom right. I'll let you folks tell me the proper terms.



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i never knew the paws are meant to be visible there. I dont spend much time looking that closely at the designs so thank you nancy and your keen eye
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The paw is a lot more visible on UNC and proof coins
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RAD, I'm not sure what we're meant to be looking at. Is it the areas I've indicted with the blue lines?

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If it is, I think the first two might be caused by a worn die, in the last picture, both areas may have small Cuds due to a break in the die, but I'm not 100% on either of my answers.

Any one else have any comments?
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@nancyc - Love the way you can outline the areas in question. Might try to figure out a way to do it myself. Yes, you're referring to the right spots.

On the left side (the first two pics), however, the dark line under the shield is actually a crack line like in a planchet flaw. Getting a decent photo of it in that position with my current camera is pretty hopeless it seems.

The bottom photo took me 15 goes, and I got it on the last shot. From another angle with my loupe the raised area beside the shield looks like its got a crack down the left side and the metal is lifted at the top. It may be just the way the light strikes it tho. In a couple of weeks I hope to have a smaller more mobile way to take photos, so will revisit it then with better results, hopefully.

Thanks for your patience with my newbie questions everyone. So, all up, all 4 corners of the shield are affected to some degree by a worn die, and there's also a pl. flaw plus a Cud or laminate flaw, presuming I'm seeing it correctly. What an interesting coin!

Now on to the big handful of coins from today's shopping trip. Here's to a happy weekend of noodling ahead!
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