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New Member
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Hi! I had this coin for sale on ebay recently. ebay sent me a message telling me that they took it upon themselves to remove it. They told me, "As far as the exact problem with the item, the following was received from the ebay Coin Community Watch Group: 'not double struck' ebay went on to tell me something you all probably already know, but I didn't. "...as ebay employs no experts in the field of currency we are unable to arbitrate disputes. You will need to have the item authenticated by an approved grading company before the item can be relisted." (WOW! I would think that if ebay was going to allow the sale of currency on their website, with the intent to take such action as set out above, they surely ought to get busy and employ an expert with all due speed! There is no fairness at all in arbitrarily removing a listing and barring the seller from stating his or her case against the removal! Just don't seem right! Or, maybe I'm just a bad loser -- I don't know...) Anyway, I would surely welcome anyone's opinion as to whether or not this coin was double struck. For the life of me I can't see how this coin could end up looking like this unless it had been double-struck. But I'm no expert, so I would like to invite someone to take a look. The strange thing about this coin (I call it a "Mystery Cent") is that the second strike (if that's what it is) has letters and words on it, but no words that relate in any way to a Lincoln. How it came to be is a "mystery" to me! Thank you    Robbin |
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Rest in Peace
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It looks like a coin that was broken out of a some kind of encasement (a lucky penny type of product). It appears like this type of encasement swedged the coin inside the ring while at the same time struck a message on the ring. When this coin was swedged the alignment was off on one side causing the letters on the coin. I agree this is PMD and not an error. Regardless of how it happened the out of roundness of the coin shows it didn't happen in the collar and an out of collar strike would not look like this. Edited by pyrbob
04/05/2012 05:36 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Since the obverse isn't similar to the reverse in the damage, it is considered PMD and not a double strike. A double strike has doubling on both sides of the coin, since it was struck by both dies twice. You can't have one side of a coin struck once and not the other side. It is like trying to clap with one hand.  Here is a great site to show you some examples of a double strike, etc: http://www.bakercoins.net/learn/err...k/index.htmlI'm not sure how they were able to get those letters to appear like that on the reverse, unless some type of die was used? |
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Bedrock of the Community
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ebay was correct in yanking the auction, that is not a double-struck cent- just PMD. The left side has been smashed and what appears to be letters are not letters at all, they do not match anything on a cent design.
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Bedrock of the Community
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It couldn't have been doubled struck from the mint it the area in question has nothing like a die pattern on the coin. Another thing. After the blanks are cut, they run through an upset mil to widen the rim. The die strikes inside that rim area inside the collar. It raises the rim area. We see that on the obverse, but the reverse is flattened. It was smashed add those letters in attempt to make it look legit. To make something appear legit when it isn't is a crime. That is why they pulled it.
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I have to say I am just stunned. To think that people would go to such lengths -- and to the point of committing a crime -- just to make a few bucks and to dupe ignorant people (like me) into buying their dirty wares is just shocking to me. I don't mean to sound naive, but this has to be a very time consuming and difficult thing to do, not to mention just mean and selfish. I suppose they get away with it though, as long as there are idiots like me who will buy from them. It's pretty disheartening, too... What if I had sold it?!
Well, I thank ALL of you for your time and your incredible expertise. Thank goodness there are people like you all around to fight against these crooks. All of you are just the BEST.
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Rest in Peace
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It is possible they just didn't know like you. Hang around and keep asking questions. Education is the key.
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smitrobbin: You are not an idiot,just uninformed.You have come to the right place,there is a wealth of info here.There are some pro-experts who will visit and share their knowledge.Stick around.
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Bedrock of the Community
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You know what I do with coins I get burned on? I save them to remind me not to do that again and teach others what I learned on a coin like this.
I don't get mad, I just get smarter!
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04/06/2012 02:27 am
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Thank you, coop. And DrDon, Pyrbob, Wquinn and Biokemist6. Guess I ought to quit lickin my wounds and get off the pity-pot! Studying is what I ought to be doing. Yes, I'll keep these coins to remind myself of how totally uninformed I am and maybe someday I'll look back and, and, and .... GET ANGRY ALL OVER AGAIN! (smile!)
Thanks, all of you.
Goodnight.
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Posted 04/05/2012 05:32 am
