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NGC Grading Standards

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 Posted 04/08/2012  09:51 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add BillSnyder to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

When the National Guaranty Corporation (NGC) began grading UK and mainland European coins, I heard some complaints that AU's had suddenly become BU's, nVF's had become nXF's, and even that known varieties were not recognized.

How are they doing now? (I am guessing that, over the years, they have added more numismatists knowledgeable in World coins).


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 Posted 04/08/2012  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ngc grades the most world coins and is the leader in grading world coins. Whatever problems they may have are probably fixed. Same with pcgs.
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 Posted 04/08/2012  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bill was more asking for facts than advertisements ;)
Won't give any hints for France, as I don't use their service (and I don't grade my coins, I just don't like that ... it's not the type of collection I'm doing)
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 Posted 04/08/2012  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We have the same problem in Australia check this thread out.
https://goccf.com/t/113851&whichpage=2
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Thanks, Trout1105, for the link. A most interesting discussion!
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 Posted 04/08/2012  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brg5658 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The USA uses a 70 point grading scale, affectionately known as the Sheldon coin grading scale. Both of the big players in certified coins (PCGS and NGC -- which stands for Numismatic Guaranty Corporation, not "National") use the American Numismatic Association ( ANA) grading standards behind the scenes. This system has been for many years (certified coin graders have been around for almost 30 years) based primarily around the grading, attribution, and encapsulation of USA coins.

While my primary collection is of USA coins, I happen to also collect Conder Tokens from the 1790s. Most good examples of these come from dealers in the UK, and the grading system is simply different (not better or worse, but simply different). I have also purchased several coins from ma-shops.com which uses more of a European grading standard (letter combinations, together with "+" and "-" designations, but with less granularity than the USA 70-point system).

So, in summary, you can't compare a Sheldon-type grade to one of the European-type grades. They are simply different. The point is that you must be educated about these differences. It is not a matter of NGC calling world coins that are "AU" in your grading system suddenly "MS63" in the USA grading system. If there is no sign of wear, and the coin meets the ANA standards for luster, strike, etc. then it will get an MS grade in NGC's holder. Simple as that. I don't think of it as "one is right, and one must then be wrong" but rather as two different systems. As is the case with most things, the one you are most comfortable with is the one that seems more right to you.



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 Posted 04/09/2012  02:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMHO, a such precise grading system is only effective for driving prices / competition between collectors.
Why the heck would a coin get an higher grading when being resubmitted ?
I find it also more usable and "made for" for modern coins (what almost all the US coins are), but it's hard to use on less modern ones (a 70 point scale in that case just can't be use - how do you grade a spanish cob when details greatly depend on the strike ?)
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