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1816 "Copper" 6 Pence?

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 Posted 04/08/2012  3:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ItsHolliday to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi Everyone,

I have an interesting piece that has me a little confused...or maybe I'm missing something completely obvious? The design of the coin is similar to KM#665 - 1816-1820 6 Pence. However, the coin looks more like a copper coin than silver, it only weighs 2.55 grams and it seems to have variations in the details. The diameter is 19.5mm, it's non-magnetic and has a reeded edge. I've provided a few pictures with different backgrounds to change the perspective.

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Any feedback you folks could provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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 Posted 04/08/2012  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't help you with that one, just wanted to you :)
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It is a contemporary counterfeit. Sixpences, Shillings, and Half Crowns of this type, many with part of a silver wash adhering, are often seen.
If there is any interest, I can scan and post some.


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 Posted 04/08/2012  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day & welcome to CCF.
thankyou for the pics.
I agree with Bill. I have several similar half-crowns, and shillings, but I can't recall seeing a sixpence.
When I show some of my collection to non-enthusiasts, I usually put a copper half crown on the viewer's palm and ask "what d'you reckon that's worth ?" I usually get an answer in dollars, or "I don't know". I respond "hanging if you're a man; burning at the stake for the ladies". Coining carried the death penalty upto 1832, and I have found reports of it being carries out upto 1828. So, your little piece of copper once had far greater significance for each pair of hands that they passed through, than now.
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 Posted 04/09/2012  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Anaximander to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a similar half crown forgery from 1818, and a 3s bank token forgery made the same way.
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Thanks for the welcome and feedback everyone! Initially, it didn't make sense to me that the coin could be a counterfeit since it's apparently not silver. The details, combined with the wear of the coin, seem good enough to pass it off as a sixpence if it weren't for the coloration. I think most people would have been easier fooled by a contemporary counterfeit if the color/size of the coin were correct more so than the details. And, Peter's input suggests a better attempt should have been made at counterfeiting the coin with such harsh penalties. Is there any value to these contemporary counterfeits considering the history behind them? Thanks again!
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with BillSnyder. I also collect ancient coins, and one of the primary things to look for in the identification of fakes is minor variations in style.

That is obvious here.

I suspect that this coin was intended to be plated, but for whatever reason, never received any.

For a silver sixpence, it is also a bit below weight, and near right for a counterfeit in copper or bronze.
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