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swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 01/19/2013 12:02 pm The coin looks fine to me - strike and die characteristics look good. The mint output in the early 1830's was fairly crude. The US mint reported some slight deviation (up to 4-5%) in silver but nothing debased, so silver content is key. The discoloration does not look like true verdigris but could still point to some copper leaching. It could also be related to an aged chemical cleaning. Look for well preserved surfaces and mint luster in protected areas of the surface. The weight really bothers me however. Have you done a specific gravity test? That would tell you if it is correct silver. After that if a good microscope shows nothing abnormal - you would need XRF testing to be 100% positive. But given the nature of the coin and the fact that there are no good looking high silver counterfeits on the market yet - I would accept it as real. If all of a sudden a bunch of high grade 1832's turn up I could change my mind. Report this Post to the Staff
wonghinghi Pillar of the Community Hong Kong 1270 Posts	Posted 01/19/2013 11:25 pm poshrocks Eric, I can't tell anything wrong with your coin by the photos but you must be sure your scale is working good. I don't think the weight of 29 grams is right to say a 8R genuine. Mind you these 8R were the trading tool in that olden days. Who would like to pay more silver by the same coin. Doing a S.G. may help to eliminate part of the problem. I can share my another recently acquired 1832 8R with you. I am quite confident that this one must be genuine. Please see the following pictures. Weight of the coin : 27.03 grams, diameter 38.8-39.0mm, bought from ebay by US44 in Aug 2012. To compare with another fake 1832 8R posted previously, the letters of this real one is more naturally "flatten", not so "raised" as for the counterfeit. The whole coin including the edge were worn more naturally and the dentils look much better those counterfeit specimens. You can compare this 1832 with another two post previously. Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 01/20/2013 12:42 pm Looks good. Report this Post to the Staff
cara Valued Member Uruguay 217 Posts	Posted 10/21/2017 10:47 pm I reopened this old thread to know opinions about the authenticity of this coin that I have just acquired. This 8 Reales from Perú, Lima, 1833 M.M. is a bit under the standard weight, with irregular edge and very little trace of the original edge design, but the silver content appears to be correct. Weight: 25.6 gs Diameter: 38.8 mm on average S.G .: 10.29 Report this Post to the Staff
Dorado Bedrock of the Community Canada 24885 Posts	Posted 10/22/2017 5:16 pm @ cara I hope this can help you . ( Espero esto pueda ayudarlo) 1834 Republica Peruana Lima 8 R M.M 1836 Republica Peruana Lima 8 R.M.T Reference https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces28262.html Edited by Dorado 10/22/2017 5:24 pm Report this Post to the Staff
cara Valued Member Uruguay 217 Posts	Posted 10/22/2017 9:39 pm Thanks Dorado, yours are nice pieces. Do you know the weight of each one? I think the difference in weight in mine is due to the fact that the edge was cut off to remove silver at some point in the past. This is visible on the reverse, the edge is not perpendicular, it has an angle due the cut I think... who knows why? Report this Post to the Staff
Dorado Bedrock of the Community Canada 24885 Posts	Posted 10/22/2017 10:40 pm @ cara Quote: Do you know the weight of each one? Report this Post to the Staff
realeswatcher Pillar of the Community United States 1962 Posts	Posted 10/23/2017 01:37 am Observed weights are all over the place on (seemingly genuine) 1820s-30s Peru Liberty 8R... high AND low. Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 10/23/2017 10:21 pm The weight and assay standards were poorly adhered to in Peru unlike Mexico City, which is why the Mexico City dollar was established by the Chinese as the "best" of the 8R coins. It is the only 8R type that called for a premium on Chinese markets. Report this Post to the Staff
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