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1837 Large Cent-Expert Advice Needed

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I just started putting together a collection of Large Cents in VF-MS grade and just purchased the 1837 this last weekend. Is this date (1837) known for weak date strike? The coin itself is VF-EF details but the date is quite weak. I'm sorry I can't post a picture for viewing.

Thanks ahead for info!
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I have an 1840 where almost the entire legend and date are missing yet the wreath and Miss Liberty are bold. More than likely strike.
Good luck! I am currently working on this set too.
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I consulsted "The Cent Book 1816-1839" by John D Wright. The author makes no special note of any unusual weak strikes for the year. Without any pictures to guide me my first thought would lean toward an undersize planchet perhaps.
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 Posted 04/09/2012  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good luck collecting those. Possible a zillion different ones of Large Cents (slight exageration) Even in the Red Book there are 3 different ones shown for the 1837. My Albums for those are all just Year only ones so anything I get is OK for me.
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There are 17 different varieties of 1837. Several of them have weaker dates and some of them do come mushy from being reuses of worn dies.
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Yeah, thanks you guys. I have about 10 different Large Cent dates and the date on this one is really weak and the rest of the coin is quite sharp,(VF/EF). Generally I've noticed that the dates on Large Cent coin generally stand the test of time. It is the non-beaded cord issue. Sorry I've tried to do photos but my computer is dial-up and it doesn't work. I'm also not very computer literate so that doesn't help either!
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Oh yeah, I'm keeping it simple, date set ;-)
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Whitman to the rescue!!
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OK one correction, I was wrong there are only 16 varieties N-7 and 8 are just different dies states and is now just N-8.

Eleven of the varieties are plain hair cord. Only one is scarce N-17. Most of them have die cracks. Any on yours?
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Yes, the die crack runs vertically in a srait line basically from 8 oclock to 10 oclock through the 3rd and 4th star, messing them up a bit.
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Awesome score bro. Would be nice to see pictures though!
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OK that could be either N-2 or N-15. They shared the same obverse with 15 being the earlier state. N-2 does not have cracks on the reverse, N-15 is heavily cracked through the tops of S OF AMERIC. N-2 is an R-2, N-15 is an R-3+

This is a late stage 15 with the cracks about as heavy as they get.
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And this is a mid stage N-2
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And a late stage
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Notice the date is getting weaker from one to the next.

On the terminal state of N-2 the entire section to the left of star 4 down to the crack half way between stars 3 and 4 breaks away to form a full Cud.
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VERY cool Conder!!

I'm glad you frequent this site!!
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Conder, THANK YOU! You just showed an almost exact replica of what I purchased. The late stage one is it. Poor date and a messed up Left side Obverse. My coin maybe a later stage than the one you showed as 2 stars are messed up pretty bad. So N-15 it is....Cheers, Erik
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OOOps I mean N-2 late stage.
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