Resurrecting And Old Topic Denticle Clashing

It has been said that denticles cant make an Impression here is a smoking gun

Russ, I have come to see YOU are a unique collector, being you always seem to come up with one beauty after another, this sweet looking coin is an example of what I am talking about.. I would like to address one subject, the " denticle clash marks".. I do not see how the name could be given to the " marks on the reverse " below the tail feathers. I do not see how the marks could in ANY way be related to the denticles, The distance, the size of the marks, compared to the distance and size of denticles imprints,are IMO, not even a close possibility. Could you possibly, with your apparent expertise assist me in clearing up my disbelief on this topic, Thanks again for sharing, Be Well, Mike.....

Thank you my friend.......

Russ, Gene, It is nice to see you around,I am doing some clashing Research and saw this topic, I hope you are well, Mike.....

What I was thinking for some of the denticle clashes is this.

While making a working die the mint would take a "Working Hub--Hardened metal" This die is a reverse of what would seen on the working die and is struck or hammered into the "in progress Working die" The working die is a Non Hardened piece high grade steel at this point and is much softer on a Rockwell testing scale.

If the working hub was dropped on a part of the "in progress working die" it would dent easily. In the case of this coin I think that is the "How" What is seen on a later die state of this coin is what looks like a gouge but has a slight curve to it only, early die states have a match of the center spacing that should match the reverse design of a working hub. If it was dropped at an angle where the rim hit first or made more contact it in theory makes sense. Keep in mind that 2 flat blunt surfaces hitting together take a bunch of force to make an impression. But like a center punch a harder object with less area of contact needs far less force to leave a impression.

After a working die was made and then hardened they where polished. In many cases the dies where sand blasted that led to the frosted faces you see, the polishing of the new die also removed that sand-blasted effect from the fields giving a coin that DMPL look.

It is "My Theory" that this clash happened during the manufacturing of the die, not during the minting process of a coin.

Russ, I thank you for taking the time to reply, MY problem is this, I do not see the "Mint" making a die and this being put into the coining process with a " mark " in the new working die.

IF the die being made, was to of had anything dropped on it why the mark or gouge would not be through the letters, has me in doubt.....I am just not clear on the gouge ,it appears there is a gouge on the die, which to me, looks like the planchet took the " damage " before the die was produced, and the die was produced around the damage, I know how this sounds, but HOW else were the letters NOT involved in the gouge or W/E........

I am not sure I am communicating clearly!!!!! Just my opinion