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 Posted 04/23/2012  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone care to try what falcon suggest?
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 Posted 04/23/2012  10:38 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ashrap Reports already do this, for Canadian certified material. But, it has been a couple of years since the last report...
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 Posted 04/23/2012  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coingirl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you want to go "rare" like in very, very few known which will always go up..uo....up.... and upppppper, until someone comes up with an attic find of severeal dozen etc..
not in that sequence :

1871 10 cent Mule
1985 NZ $ 1 mule
1954 5 cent NSF
1921 50 cent
1921 5 cent
1947 50 C ML CR
1859 Brass 1 cent
1880 NFL $2 gold
1916 Sovereign ( yes NOT the 1908, even though it is rare)

there may be a few more, like the 1936 dots..and perhaps the 1967 25cent in nickel...
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--SPP-Ottawa--We were not talking about steak!
and I should have used "less common" instead of "hard to find" My bad!

The point is there are ways to quantify rarity.
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Nice list--coingirl--
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The point is there are ways to quantify rarity.


Remember that I am a scientist, so you have to understand how I think. You can only quantify something that is absolute. For me, those are descriptive terms, which can be used in a relative sense (not absolute) and therefore cannot be quantified. Pardon the pun, but I rarely use any of those descriptive terms in numismatics, unless as a comment in passing (which my original post was).

To each their own...

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Hi SPP

The dictionary defines RARE as....

1. not widely known; especially valued for its uncommonness
2. recurring only at long intervals
3. not widely distributed
4. marked by an uncommon quality; especially superlative or extreme of
its kind
5. having low density

NOW, I think there should be a #6 when it comes to coins

6. Coined hoarded and not available for public purchase.

That would make a coin RARE...eh..?
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 Posted 04/24/2012  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coingirl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wert

would you believe that description fits some coins.
I know a person who wants to own ALL the rarest coins Canada has ever produced... y
that person is simply buying these for his own enjoyment... and he stays very private.
He does have the needed "deeeeeeep" pockets.
and I wish it was meeeeeeeeee....
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Correct you are coingirl.

It fits because if I bought every (e.g. - 1965 penny) penny and did not sell any..That would eventually make a 1965 penny rare (or at least hard to get).

Does that make any sense...?
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well, this person only does buy already known scarce coins
rare or scarce for him is less than 20 known...
so your 1965 example is not to the point ..
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--SPP--I'm not a Scientist and don't claim to know it all, but I do know the commonsense law of relativity and in coins witch you portray to know, it is relative and they are quantified.
---"You say your original comment was in passing"
It is not the issue!
---Quantifying rarity is and still you defended your response with a play on words!
---I'm not impressed that you cant accept that error and you loose credibility in my eyes.
You say;
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To each their own...

Again I'm not impressed, I say whatever!
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Show me a single example of any of those words (other than 'unique') defined by Oxford, Websters, or any other credible published definition, whereby those words are defined by a specific number. All can be used in a relative sense. Who says that Sheldon's scale uses the word 'rare' correctly, instead of how Jack Griffin used the same word, to define a slightly more common population. It is a word - anyone can define it, or 'quantify' it, as they see fit.

As for credibility, you are gravely mistaken how little I care about a virtual reputation in a virtual world. I am not here to impress you or anyone else. I don't have to agree with you and vice versa. You think I am using the Queen's English incorrectly, and therefore 'wrong'; and I think you are trolling this thread deliberately off course. This thread was about rare mules, and yes, I said the 1953 NSF mule no chrome was 'rare', i.e., hard to find, scarce, needle in a haystack, etc. and then even gave a population estimate. THAT was the point of this thread, not some pointless tangent about you trying to shovel nomenclature down my throat.
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There was a guy that used to buy up all the certified high end Franklins at all the shows every 5 or 6 years, then trickle them back into the market after sitting on them for a couple years. Guy did it like clockwork for decades. Supply would literally dry up, prices would soar, and people started throwing the word "rare" all over the place. Were they rare? Nope.


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The point is there are ways to quantify rarity.


My point in the above story is that most of your "scales" are based on how often an item is available for purchase which has nothing to do with the actual amount that exists. Any scale that claims to know how many of each classic coin still exists just makes me laugh. These Franklins would bounce 4 or 5 "R levels" over the 18 months to 2 years this guy hoarded them but the number of coins there were didn't change.

If rarity is involved in a sale price, it's perceived rarity at the time of the sale and has nothing to do with some goofy number someone (expert or not) randomly slaps on it in an attempt to quantify rarity.

My Two Cents.

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Here's my rarest coin variety.

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 Posted 04/25/2012  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coingirl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now, Zonad, that is funny.... he is trying to spear someone....( MS 66?)
How did ICCS title or remark this one?
but is your 5C 1858 not scarcer?
BUT my friend, is this a variety?
or a genuine mint error?
I belief there is a difference.. or not?
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