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Poll Question
Which of the following do you believe to be the rarest mule? All mules are not on this list! Based solely on ebay sales, my vote goes to the 2007 Wheelchair Curling Mule. I dont see any around at all!
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Note how many mules are NCLT. Do you think NCLT mules will increase in value?
Seems to me that mules such as the '53s and the '73 are misteps in the evolution of our coinage while others have no significance except for the fact that they are rare.
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--darryldarryl--Good question?
---I realise you gave a disclaimer as to, that not all mules/varieties were listed, but you seemed to have passed the 1954 NSF nickel! How could you?
---IMO, is actually the rarest of all of them which there are fewer!
---As I've been there, fortunately / lucky, had one and been one of the now "three" known, that got published in the 2012 Charlton reported / recorded since the 2011 of "two".
Edited by commoncents13
04/19/2012 04:26 am
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Shame on me!   |
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DBM...I never really gave it much thought however you are correct! Most are NCLT. Personally I do think some of the more scarce NCLT will increase. Thats just my opinion though. |
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The 1953 NSF mule, no chrome, is quite rare also...
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--SPP-Ottawa--Because I don't know, just curious and would like your opinion?
---What do you think the numbers are for the 1953 NSF no chrome, if you know? Presuming your talking about the near leaf.
---In response to your comment!
---As you say it's quite rare. Is it actually rare, scarce or just hard to come across?
---In advance, Thanks!
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Hi there. I had to vote for the '53 nickel, mainly because it's the only one I've managed to luck into while sorting (NSF NL)!
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There is no real means to quantify the words "rare", "scarce" or "hard to find" To me, they are synonymous, and I don't use any of those words very often. Any of those words do not necessarily equate to a specific population; grade rarities can also fit those words (e.g., AU or better NFLD 1873 5c). What those words mean to me, in this case, is that even with an abundant supply of money, it might take years before one is available for you to buy. For that specific coin, I think I have seen maybe 5 in total, two of those in mint state condition. So, while more than double (and probably triple) the population of the 1954 NSF 5-cent, it is a coin that any 5-cent or mule collector will have difficultly acquiring, regardless of how deep their pockets are.
Perhaps the 1951 no chrome high relief 5c is even tougher to find.... I (think) I know of three in collector's hands.
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you forgot one!!!!!
1985 $1 New Zealand mule.....It gets my vote....
anyone needs to see it?
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1871H Newfoundland/Canada 10 cents?
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There is no real means to quantify the words "rare", "scarce" or "hard to find" To me, they are synonymous, and I don't use any of those words very often. Any of those words do not necessarily equate to a specific population; Sorry but there is, here's three!The Sheldon rarity scale The Sheldon scale has been developed by William Herbert Sheldon in 1958 and consists of a progression of eight levels, in which the population of all coin varieties are to fall.[7] Each level is prefaced with the letter "R", indicating rarity. While being developed for the one cent coins which were he studied, the scale has been used for defining the rarity of all coins. Sheldon Rarity Scale Rarity Description R1 Common, readily available R2 Less common - Available at most shows, but in limited quantity R3 Scarce - somewhat difficult to find, only a few likely at larger shows R4 Very scarce - may or may not find at larger shows/auctions R5 Rare - unlikely more than 5 at shows or auctions each year R6 Very rare - Almost never seen, only one may be offered for sale in a year's time R7 Prohibitively rare - one may be offered for sale once every few years R8 Unique, or nearly so [edit] The Universal rarity scale The Universal rarity scale (URS) was developed in 1992 by Q. David Bowers.  Universal Rarity Scale Rarity Number of known coins URS 0 None known URS 1 1, unique URS 2 2 URS 3 3 or 4 URS 4 5 to 8 URS 5 9 to 16 URS 6 17 to 32 URS 7 33 to 64 URS 8 65 to 125 URS 9 126 to 250 URS 10 251 to 500 URS 11 501 to 1,000 URS 12 1,001 to 2,000 URS 13 2,001 to 4,000 URS 14 4,001 to 8,000 URS 15 8,001 to 16,000 URS 16 16,001 to 32,000 URS 17 32,001 to 65,000 URS 18 65,001 to 125,000 URS 19 125,001 to 250,000 URS 20 250,001 to 500,000 [edit] The Scholten scale Dutch numismatist C. Scholten developed the following rarity scale in 1953 which he applied to the study of coins in the Dutch colonies [9] The Scholten scale includes the following degrees of rarity Scholten Rarity Scale Rarity Number of known coins C Common N Normal S Scarce R Rare RR Very Rare RRR Extremely Rare RRRR Of the utmost rarity References; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_gradinghttp://www.medjh.com/coins/halfcentsrarity.htmEdited by commoncents13
04/21/2012 07:09 am
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In Charlton's "Canadian Colonial Tokens" they include the R ranking provided by various authors over the years, including Breton, Courteau, Ignram-Marelic, Lees, LeRoux, and McLachlan.
Unfortunately, they don't provide the specific scales for each author, which clearly are different.
Breton's books are from late 1800s, so these scales have been around a long time.
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Previously Ousted
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Perhaps you would like to re post your poll taking all this into consideration?
would be great.
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Jack Griffin used a R1 to R10 scale in his publication Some Die Varieties of the Large Cents of British North America and Canada, but he never used level 9 or 10. Jack listed a mere twelve die varieties at rarity 7 and a further six at rarity 8. For example, the 1881H single serif N was catalogued as an R8.
But, I digress. You asked, and I gave you, what I thought were numbers for that specific coin (5c 1953 NSF no chrome mule). How that fits in your criteria of population descriptions was not my point, plus one of the choices you gave me was "hard to come across" - which is not on any list above. My point was that when I use any of those terms, and they are synonymous to me, it is about demand versus supply, and grade rarities also apply - I used the NFLD 5c 1873 to illustrate that very point.
Finally, my scale, using the word 'rare' would be as follows:
mooing
steak tartar
blue
Japanese-seared
blue-rare (ideal)
rare
medium-rare
(any steak cooked beyond this point is not worth eating)
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I remember reading somewhere there was a way of looking at past sales in ebay ( not just completed listings) it would be nice to see how many of the above coins were listed in the past few years. Even if you can see past sales it wouldn't tell if the same coin traded hands a few times over. I think the Sheldon scale makes the most cents :-) though. I see coins with known mintages of less then a thousand forsale everyday. |
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