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Prethen,
While PCGS,NGC do body bag problem coins,
ANACS does not.I could very well come back "BU or MS details,Cleaned" and it still would be worth a good amount on the market.
Mary, if you going to take a chance and spend the money to have a coin graded,I believe this to be the one to do it with.
That dosen't look like PVC damage to me.It looks almost like paint or something the coin was kept in that migh have had a blue pigment in it.
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I didn't realize that ANACS still had explicit Net Graded slabs (sort of like NCS does now). That said, I agree that perhaps the coin will realize more money in a TPG slab. However, if they don't net grade it, an astute buyer will never pay strongly for such a coin where it's in a holder that doesn't say it has been cleaned when it clearly has been cleaned. |
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I'm sorry, but I disagree with anyone here recommending to a newbie collector to clean their coins in any way, acetone or whatever.
That is careless advice.
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The green stuff reminds me of what happens to copper when it sits around too long. These were in plastic flips, and have been there for at least 20 years.
I bought the acetone, but now I'm a little worried. What is the general consensus here? Clean it or not clean it? Like I said, I have about 3 others that have even worse green stuff around the edges.
TLS- When you say that ANACS doesn't do "body bag problem coins", does that mean that if they look at it and deem it to be stuff, they won't even grade it? Please explain that statement in a way a newbie can understand.
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Mary,
First let me say Acetone wont damage your coin or devalue it in any way,but it should remove whatever is on the rim.I would just let it soak overnight.It the garage or basement preferably and not around any open flame.Then remove the coin and pat dry with a micro-fiber towel or cloth.
As for ANACS,what I mean is they will grade it no matter the type of damage (except PVC) and they will list the grade with the type of damage it has.
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I'm sorry, but I disagree with anyone here recommending to a newbie collector to clean their coins in any way, acetone or whatever.
That is careless advice.
I, in turn, disagree with you and am slightly piqued by the choice of the word careless. If someone had presented Maryhm's benefactor with the alternative of soaking her coin in acetone to remove the nasty green residue, she might not have completely ruined her $1000+ coin by abrasively cleaning it. <rant> At the risk of beating a dead horse, I have previously been a vocal supporter of starting a dedicated cleaning section on CCF so every fifth thread doesn't degenerate into the same old advice about cleaning and the same old cautions and recriminations against it. </rant> |
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I'm sorry, but I disagree with anyone here recommending to a newbie collector to clean their coins in any way, acetone or whatever.
That is careless advice.
"Careless advice" is telling a newbie to continue letting PVC eat their coins away. I will bet you every coin in my collection that you could not reliably identify a coin which has been soaked in acetone, even with an electron microscope. |
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Acetone can have undesirable effects on coins.
Newbies rushing out to purchase coin cleaning products based on advice given online is frightening to me.
Better for maryhm to take some time to join a local coin club and get some one on one in person advice, help and support from experienced local members.
And texasmick, I missed where maryhm stated that she abrasively cleaned that coin, but if she did, then she should go out and hire a numismatic professional to appraise the entire collection and advise her on how to best liquidate it.
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No local club that I can find. I'm in the boonies. I didn't clean the coin. All of the coins are in the same condition that I found them in. Sorry to have caused friction over this.  |
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I just went and looked at all the coins. There appear to be 5 with the green stuff on the rims. All are in plastic flips.
Edited to say: On one of them, lady liberty (I guess that's who it is) has green on some of the raised stuff around her head.
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02/07/2007 7:34 pm
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Friction is no good for coins -- cabinet friction.
Conflict is inevitable.
Acetone can also cause serious health effects.
As I wrote previously, pace yourself.
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I never said that Maryhm cleaned the coin. I said that her benefactor did.
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Acetone can also cause serious health effects.
This is a point we agree upon completely. I'm going to want to see proof, though, of any undesirable side effect acetone has on silver. I have mentioned in this forum before the potential for acetone to react with copper in the presence of light, but to the best of my knowledge (that knowledge gleaned from numismatists who have forgotten more than I will ever know on the subject, as well as a couple of chemist friends), acetone does not, and cannot, interact with silver. As you can see, Maryhm, this is a rather polarizing issue among coin collectors. I myself am a convert from the "never clean a coin" ranks, having changed my stance the first time I bought a coin with PVC contamination, and realized what it was capable of doing to a coin. You have, so far, demonstrated the willingness to do your homework with regard to your collection, and I strongly advise you to do the same here. Do not believe just me, or just anyone else who takes a position or offers advice either way. This topic has been covered to death at every coin forum; there is a huge body of archived discussion available to you through the Search function at every forum. Use it. Read every angle. Make your decisions regarding what to do based on what you see to be the best route for yourself and your coins, not what we tell you. |
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SuperDave and I can agree on things. I concur with his advice to read as much about the debate as possible.
Now, texasmick, you may have wanted to imply that her benefactor abrasively cleaned the coin, but the semantics, thru the use of pronouns and other grammar in your text, points to her as the culprit in your view:
"If someone had presented Maryhm's benefactor with the alternative of soaking her coin in acetone to remove the nasty green residue, she might not have completely ruined her $1000+ coin by abrasively cleaning it."
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02/07/2007 8:05 pm
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Just for the record, I've used pure acetone many times and I've never suffered adverse effects to any of the coins. If the coins are handled properly, the liquid will not harm the coin in any way. Removing gunk off the coin by rubbing the coin in any way can cause hairlining, so the acetone is really only for immersion.
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