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Possible Error Note, Two Different Serials

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 Posted 04/30/2012  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
a few years ago, a heavily-circulated Australian $10, with mismatched serials, was auctioned. It fetched $8,000. Error collectors are difficult to understand ...
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 Posted 04/30/2012  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
$8,000.00...?

Hey Peter THOMAS can I send all my errors to you to sell for me down there.....
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 Posted 04/30/2012  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
we were all impressed.
I've been careful checking my notes ever since.
I emphasize that that one was "heavily-circulated", but as I recall, it had only one-digit difference.
Like I say, "Error collectors are difficult to understand ..."


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 Posted 05/01/2012  04:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commoncents13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO this bill looks fake! I see a refection of light on tape on the bill! (spliced) The edges are not true, close but not true.
---I don't buy the edge as a fold!
---Some one has a lot of time and made an effort.
---I will only believe it if certified.
---If real I will digress, but fakes are upsetting to me, make everyone suspect and do a disservice to the Community of collectors.
---I was hopeful!
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05/01/2012 05:11 am
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 Posted 05/06/2012  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Baanos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see that some people think it's fake and others think it's genuine. We will know for sure in around 2 months as I just sent this out to PMG for it to be certified. I will keep you posted.
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 Posted 05/07/2012  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What would be the point of going through all the trouble to make a fake this well done and send it out into circulation?

Logically, a person that would make this, would either try to sell it as a real error to deceive and make money or they would try to draw and increase interest in it by posting in a forum or similar venue just as we see done here.

I'm sure Baanos is NOT that sort of person to do such a thing, so my bet is it will come back a genuine error.
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 Posted 05/07/2012  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Baanos

Here is another reason why I think your bill is real.

See picture below where I changed colour for you to see both sides of the fold better...Would almost be impossible for some one to find 2 exact coloured bills with the exact wear affect.

If some one did, they should be working for the mint...!


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That is so totally cool, wert! Wherever do you find these great softwear programs? I got to agree, I think the bill is real, too. Either that or someone is way too evil-genius for me!
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Yes I went and ran the picture through three different programs, picasa photoscape and gimp. I did the heat thing and messed around and I think since it is not exactly flat we can't conclude on this.The light and shadow appears to make the right side a different shade.
I think a close and sharp image of this area would have done the trick as it is the least folded area and where any doctoring would be most likely detected.


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 Posted 05/07/2012  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Baanos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TheNickelGuy:
We never know. The possible scenario I was able to imagine is that a collector bought that note for a lot of money off of someone he didn't know too well and had it checked by an expert and was told it was a fake. So this person, which happens to be an honest person, did not want to try to sell it and pass it as a real to someone else so instead, he decided to return it back to circulation since there wuold be no point in him keeping it. And I can assure you I am not a person who would try to pass something fake as real just to get popularity on the forum. I sent this note through registered mail, so if everything goes well PMG should receive it perhaps by the end of this week or the beginning of the next one.

wert:
Great observation. Getting more optimistic now :)
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 Posted 05/07/2012  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TheNickelGuy..I like what you have done.

The second picture you posted shows extreme alignment...I don't think any one would go through that trouble trying to line them up under a microscope....

If it is fake, I would like to shake his hand..Still think it is genuine.

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Hey Baanos

I ran it through a SPM program and look first at the YELLOW arrow..You will see a design going across the fold perfectly lining up.

look at the RED arrows, another design perfectly lining up.


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05/07/2012 6:02 pm
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 Posted 05/07/2012  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the best spot on the bill.

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Look at the hyphen. It's right in the crease and one of the least creased areas of the bill. These areas in this section don't look to have ever been detached nor reattached. Everything lines up. The texture of the note has a pattern and there are overprints where no two bills probably could line up with the same ink patterns and texture patterns.
I think it is a legitimate circulation find that will come back genuine. It's just that Baanos got lucky and really lucky at that. I say a premature congrats is in order from me at least, and I hope I am not wrong.
Your searching hopefully has really paid off.
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....Big time my friend...Hope it works out in your favour.
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 Posted 05/07/2012  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commoncents13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I got to say my doubts are not personal!
---Again if it's fake that person has talent and time!
---TheNickelGuy--wert-- your evidence is compelling but short of in hand, a microscope and authority. (your opinions are respected and probably right)
---But something about that fold is a little creepy!
---I wish the best for you --Baanos-- and am happy you sent it in to get authenticated, good for you if it is!
---It will be a pay day!
---I know about getting lucky as I have once and the doubts that came with it. Good luck!
--- I will keep my topic subscription on for updates.
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05/08/2012 04:36 am
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Yeah it's too bad that we didn't get a good picture of the crease before it was shipped and maybe held to light would have shown something to tell if there is any glue in the crease but I had fun thinking about this.
I am not offended in any way commoncents13 and I am not convinced either because we need a much closer high resolution image but from what we had to go by it does look good enough to be genuine.
I was wondering, how in the world a note would end up with such a numerical discrepancy. How could this possibly happen and there not be a bunch more out there with a similar serial number error.
Does anyone know what the printing process is for placing serial numbers on these notes?
I am sure there is a tumbler counter that is synchronized on both sides and I know occasionally one number gets behind or ahead or half off but for 5 to be off, that is where I am most skeptical.
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