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Valued Member
Pakistan
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Hey all! I am trying to get down to cataloguing my collection on my computer. While most of the people here seem to prefer spreadsheets, I think I'll go with making my own database instead. The main information stored, however, will be the same, so I could use help even from you guys who use spreadsheets instead. My question is, for world coins, what information should I record? I've seen a couple sample spreadsheets around here and elsewhere on the web, but they always seem focused on US coins or UK coins, but not being more "generalised". For example, how would I store the printed value on the coin? Most countries today follow the decimal system, but if you go just a couple decades earlier you had all sorts of confusion, for example with the pound sterling being divided into crowns, shillings, pence, sixpence, and all the rest. So I'd assume I'd have a "currency" as well as a "denomination" field, but how would I store the "amount" of the denomination (no idea how to better explain it, but hopefully you get what I mean), especially for these non-decimal coins? One of the spreadsheet templates I found on the net also had a field called "Variety", where, as a sample, VDB was filled in for the coin where the Denomination/Type field was set to " Lincoln Cent". This seemed confusing to me, because I thought it was redundant. Victor David Brenner WAS the designer of the Lincoln Cent? And what would I put under "Variety" for wheaties, or commemorative coins, or such, or coins that have the obverse and reverse by two separate designers? Or coins which used a specific design of whichever designer, but added or removed one thing? And while it would make sense to use the designers name under "Variety" or whatever, what if the same designer designed different coins for the same denomination? What I had initially started with (which I am now realising may be a bit inadequate) was AMOUNT (which I ended up using for the denomination), DENOMINATION (which I ended up using for the currency), COUNTRY, OBVERSE TEXT, OBVERSE DESIGN, REVERSE TEXT, REVERSE DESIGN, EDGE TEXT, EDGE DESIGN and YEAR. Even this one stumped me with the problem I mentioned about denominations and amounts and stuff not being the same for different coins, as well as confused me as to whether to take the elaborate calligraphy in the background of some of the coins as "TEXT" or as "DESIGN", and whether to write the text shown on the coins of non-english countries translated into english, or transliterated into english, or try to find a way to include them in the original language (in which case I'd need a separate field for the translation) and those countries which use a different Calendar system from the usual one, would I include the year using their calendar system (in which case I'd need a new field for calendar systems) or use the gregorian one. So what I'm basically asking, is if someone could provide me with the relevant fields that would be most suitable and standard for world coins, without me having to resort to writing essays in a COMMENT field for each coin, but still covering all the necessary detail, so it could be reasonably searchable and sortable. For stuff that exists in some countries but not in others (for example, countries that have no mintmark, because they only have 1 mint), I can leave those fields blank for those countries, but include them in the other ones, so that is not a problem. Also, most of my coins I collect from the coins in circulation (aside from a couple of commemoratives) when I visit that country (or ask someone to send me some coins of that country), and I rarely ever "purchase" coins, so as I don't expect to ever have the desire (or money) to spend on buying some ancient roman coin, and it is extremely unlikely I'll ever be gifted or randomly find any of these, I don't THINK it is necessary to include the fields that would be required if I was collecting such coins. Thanks in advance!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Have a look at a few different catalogues on World coins. Decide on which catalogue you like best in terms of how the coins are arranged, and follow that system for your own collection. Krause for example, has an arrangement for each country which can vary a little sometimes, and gives each type a catalogue number, according to a catalogue numbering system.
Have a look also at a few large coin data bases that can be found on the 'Net', there may be one that you can emulate for yourself.
My system would not suit many collectors, but it does have some merit. I have a collection of around 4,000 coins, from ancient to modern, arranged very roughly by date. No one, except myself, can find a coin quickly and easily. That's OK for me, no one else goes through my collection anyway.
In every case, all of the identification and purchase information is written on the cardboard 2 x 2, and moves with the coin, if I need to move the coin within the collection.
A collection like mine defies the ease which 'pigeonholing' provides with a spreadsheet type of programme, where a coin description can vary from one or two words to a whole paragraph.
My collection is much more amenable to the arrangement provided by such websites such as 'WILDWINDS'. This type of arrangement allows for easy addition of a new coin into the collection, each with a full description of it.
Edited by sel_69l 04/28/2012 09:56 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I used to and still do on occation use Excel for a spread sheet for coins. HOWEVER, way, way back I started to make colums for everything I thought was relavant, important, necessary. I originally had denomimation, dates, mint marks, grades, where purchased, when purchased, cost, face value, present coin value, miscellaneous info, comments, etc., etc., etc. It was a sort of history of each coin. Then one day I realized I was spending more time with this spreadsheet than with the coins themselves. I started to remove, delete most of the columns. One by one until I had only date, mint, grade. The top of the sheet said the denomination. You too may eventually say who cares what I paid? Who cares where or when it was purchased? The face value is at the top of the page. The value is way to ambiguous to attempt to constantly change and then too, based on WHAT? I would suspect if you really needed to try for a spreadsheet document, you may need to add the country of origin. Other than that, remember that as your collection grows, the amount of work to document to much STUFF may get to be a real job and this is supposed to be FUN.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I think just carl has made an important point about cataloguing.
KISS = Keep It Simple, Stupid!. You waste too much time otherwise, and loose sight of WHY you are collecting.
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Valued Member
United States
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I personally use Excel for my 400+ world coin collection, with the following columns:
Denomination, Country, Date, Grade, Value, Composition/PM Weight & Fineness, Mintage Number. They are arranged alphabetically by country.
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Valued Member
United States
230 Posts |
To give an example of I how catalogue: 
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Valued Member
 Pakistan
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I just spent the last couple of hours filling in my 400+ coins into numista (thanks, mcshilling!). My eyes feel a bit funny now, but it does have an "Export as excel sheet function" that I used. The resulting spreadsheet is great for now, even though it has some odd things (like a hidden column where I can only see the character "ยป"). Other than that, it stores Country, Coin Type (which has the currency, denomination and description all combined in 1) and quantity. I'm still not fully learned on the significance of the KM Catalogue reference number, but that is probably because I don't have one. Also, I'm not that learned about the grade either, but checking on wikipedia told me Fine is 50% of the design visible, Very Fine is 75% and Extra Fine is 90%. Most of my coins had almost all of the design visible, but since I'm not sure about the whole thing, I set them at VF, except for a few which were of slightly worse quality (a couple of dots of green stuff on them), which I set as F. Anyhow, for those of you who care to see: http://en.numista.com/echanges/voir...php?id=20909
Edited by Babar 04/28/2012 8:49 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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You are welcome Babar, I have 550+ coins for 100 country's on that site and also have the print out in excel from the same site.
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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I personally use a "catalogue" patterned on identification guides, with a category system similar to that of ebay (well, actually closer to that of Molotok, because ebay puts too much emphasis on US coins, which I have relatively few of). So when I want to find a coin, or insert a new one, I just go through the questions: is it Russian? is it European? is it pre-decimal? is it a dime? that sort of thing. And if a specific category ends up containing more than about a dozen different coins, I just divide it into sub-categories (e.g. is it a Mercury or Roosevelt dime?) The main problem with this cataloguing system? While it's relatively easy to maintain it once it's there, it's also relatively hard to start off (especially when you already have hundreds of coins), so currently it's still in the planning stages  but I've already got a decent conception of what it would look like, so maybe if I get a free day or two in June...  Oh, and to the OP: "VDB" is an actual variety of Lincoln cents, referring to a brief run from 1909 that had the designer's initials in prominent letters on the denomination side. As for the "variety" field itself, it presumably refers to varieties  that is, stuff like copper/zinc for 1982 LMCs, VAMs for Morgan dollars, or small/large dates for wherever they're applicable (proof status might also go in that field if the date/mintmark combination doesn't make it certain). ...And I still don't know what would I have put (had I used a spreadsheet) as to the denomination for a coin which says, for example, "1 Neugroschen/10 Pfennige" (an actual coin from my collection, though the spelling might be off as I hadn't seen it since March).
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Valued Member
Australia
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Maybe a bit late but for my collection, currently 3000+ coins/notes from currently 5 countries, I use a program called "Exact Change". Has really good reporting on what I have and need, as well as value. The option to add photos of my coins will be getting used when I get my photo taking gear setup, until then stock photos are available. Cheers Peter
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Valued Member
 Pakistan
207 Posts |
Hey Peter! I looked up on Exact Change, but it costs almost 80 dollars on the website, and I'm a REAL miser, so I thought I'd explore the free options first. Could you perhaps tell what information the software stores for each coin (for my reference)? PS: I don't know you from a while back on some videogame-making forum, do I? Or perhaps that is the other Peter Thomas... 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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My suggestion is to save your money on premade catalogs, spreadsheets, etc. and use that money to buy coins. As to documenting them all, I've mentioned this many times in the past. For a few coins or even maybe a hundred, attempting to log them all with excessive details may be OK. Try picturing what you would have if you accumulated several thousand coins. And if you did that, imagine attempting to change ALL the values each year as their values change. To document everything about a coin, such as the details of the obverse and reverse too, with thousands of coins, could well take the rest of your life. And all for what purpose? And too after about 50 years of collecting coins, do you think you would really, really care about most of the excessive time spent on all that? A long time ago I attempted to document the dates, mint marks, grades, original cost, where purchased, when purchased, present approximate values, errors if any, comments and lots of other just STUFF. After accumulations of many thousands of coins I realized one thing. Who cares? I sure didn't. So I now keep only basic information. Just trying to change the values every year for thousands of coins is really nothing I want to spend my last days on Earth doing.
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Valued Member
Australia
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I to have a tendency to watch what I spend Babar. Still the software I felt was good buy based on cost and what it does. So what does it do, it would be quicker to say what it doesn't do. Basically it has a set group of data points for each coin/note that you have. (date bought, year/mint/variety, grade, purchase price, value, change value, quantity etc). However you can also add extra fields that you want, does not matter what type of field it is, there is an option to cover all of them. Pictures/scans of the coins and receipts can also be stored against the individual coins. Think tax purposes if you are buy/selling a lot. (Australia charges capitol gains tax on coins valued at over $500  ) Then you have the reporting side, there are a bunch of supplied reports, hoard lists, checklists, 2x2 sheets etc but you can also make your own. There is going to be a way that users can share reports as well soon. So all your coins end up sorted by country then into series. You can add new series as well. Now the issue that Carl raised regarding maintenance is valid, and to be honest it is usually the downfall of spreadsheets when the item count gets up there, but Exact Change does things a bit differently. Your coins and the prices are separated. By that I mean that on the prices tab for a series we have every year/mint/variety for a coin in the series. Prices and population data is stored for each grade (either sheldon or your own). On the coins tab for a series you have an instance of a coin listed on the prices tab. (this also allows us to work out missing coins in a set). Now the good thing for US coins at present is that the price lists are maintained externally, updates are provided by wildman. But this is only for US coins no other countries as yet.  Might have to talk to him about that. So that is pretty much it, a bit high level, but you get the idea. I recommend the product, I'm using it and am very happy with it. I think it is actually worth more than the $100 buck I paid. Cheers Peter
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