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 Posted 02/09/2007  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dockwalliper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know guys, maybe markn will have some good input, but wouldn't getting rid of the cent cause inflation, i.e. prices rounded up. More importantly, isn't this a vote for a tax increase? Lets see, a state sales tax of 6% will have to calculated in 10ths, duhhhh, so a $1 purchase with a 6% sales tax is $1.06 but oh my gosh, we have no cents! No problem, we will just round it up to $1.10. Markn, were you around when they made the change and what affect did it have? Jim


Actually your $1.06 purchase would be rounded DOWN to $1.05. Totals ending with 1,2,6,7 would be rounded down to the closest nickel. 3,4,7 & 8 would round up to the next nickel. 0 & 5 would need no rounding. The results would be a statistical wash.
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 Posted 02/09/2007  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TSmith3510 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote Andrew289: "Get rid of the Lincoln Cent, the nickel and the paper dollar."

ditto
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 Posted 02/09/2007  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well thinking as a Tax payer I would agree with Andrew289 but as a coin collector I hate to see them go
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 Posted 02/09/2007  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dock, I would hope you are right, but if you calculate rounding down based on about one trillion dollars in debt, I do not think the govt. is going there. My company generates about $600M in payroll annually and the govt. does not round down FICA withholdings or anything else. I believe that any change in our coinage will have ulterior motives. The cost of creating currency or coins is not the impetus to the removal of the cent from circulation. But, it would make for some great collecting.
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 Posted 02/09/2007  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dsking, unfortunately you still get that annoying 99 cent pricing. The shop I work in has every item ending in 99 cents.

Jim1953,Rounding is only applied to the final total. If you go to a grocery store and buy 20 items and the total is $47.98 then the total is rounded up to $48.00. The most you will ever pay is 2 cents extra, which you might save on the next transaction anyway.
Believe me you will survive without 1 cent pieces. We have not had 1 or 2 cent pieces for many years and to be honest I am glad I don't have to handle them anymore.

Steve
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Steve, where I am at, there is no tax on food. However, fuel for example has massive taxes applied and they are talking about increasing it again. There is no way that they would round down, they are arguing about a 10th of a cent in gas tax currently. Sure wish you were right, but in Maryland there will be no rounding down. Jim
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How about this: Stop production of circulating Lincoln cents, but continue minting some for collectors.

As far as a different design -- I hope not. Almost every Presidential poll has Lincoln as our greatest President. That's one face I think needs to stay on the coin!!
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 Posted 02/09/2007  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wardtom084 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually I think that the gov. is already gearing up for getting rid of them. You take a look at a role of cents and most of them look like trash as the metal is shot. I get several per week to go thru at the bank and some of them are so bad you can barely tell what they are.
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Does anyone actually use pennies anymore? I say ditch them and maybe make a circulated 50 cent piece.
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Steve, where I am at, there is no tax on food. However, fuel for example has massive taxes applied and they are talking about increasing it again. There is no way that they would round down, they are arguing about a 10th of a cent in gas tax currently. Sure wish you were right, but in Maryland there will be no rounding down. Jim

Jim, Here in New York Taxes are over 60 per Gallon but the price is still rounded to the closest cent,up or down.
Right now the price is $2.339 per Gallon.
If I buy....
13 Gal. = $30.407 I pay $30.41
8 Gal. = $18.712 I pay $18.71
Sometime up, sometimes down.
Most people pump to the dollar not the gallon so its rather moot but it works the same with sales tax too. 8.25%, cash registers are set to round to the closest cent. Sometime up, sometimes down.
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quote Scoutjim99: "well thinking as a Tax payer I would agree with Andrew289 but as a coin collector I hate to see them go"

Scoutjim, I would miss them too, but when you consider the buying power of the denomination when it was originally issued (200+) years ago, vs. what it can purchase today, I don't think there's much to decide. Keeping the cent and the nickel in 2007 would be the equivalent of issued coins valued at 1/100 of a cent or a nickel back in 1800. Sure I'm using round figures for purposes of illustration, but our currency denominations clearly need to be revamped to catch up with the times.
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Doc, I can capitulate on how the retail industry applies rounding. I just don't think the govt's. cash register has a round down button. Jim
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 Posted 02/10/2007  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The rounding works out both ways 0.06 and 0.07 are rounded down, and 0.07 and 0.09 are rounded up, so statistically you should end up paying the same. Also, the rounding is applied to the total, so the most you ever end up paying extra here is $0.02, on the flipside you can end up paying $0.02 less.

So much of the rest of the world has gone through this process that it takes just a few hours to figure out that the next effect on the economy is zero. Given that you accept this argument the next argument raised is always:

'but there will be profiteering, if given the choice a retailer will change an old $0.96 price to $1.00 to get a few cents more'

Well in this case market forces will sort it out. If retailer A just changes his $0.96 price point to $1.00 then the free market dictates that someone will either leave it at 0.96 or go down to 0.95 to try to win more business.

The other thing to consider here is that the USA used to have 1/2cents, the UK used to have 1/2 penny (even 1/4 pennies). All these denoms were dropped, and guess what? No economic collapse, the countries still exist.

When I hear stories of people in the USA throwing cents away because it's just too much trouble I cringe. Getting rid of the cent is the only sensible thing to do. People who have considered all the factors rationally and then still say it will cause economic collapse are clearly in the tin foil hat brigade and shouldn't be listened to.
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I think we need to bring the U.S., kicking and screaming, into the 21st century and lets not mention a metric system!!

Steve
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quote:
in the tin foil hat brigade and shouldn't be listened to


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