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A hint on the 1942 cent: check page 174 of April 2010 issue (vol. 55, Number 3) of the Canadian Numismatic Journal...
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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---SPP-Ottawa--- would you let your 8 year old play with mercury? Common sense says its hazardous, if not carefully handled. Quote:
The majority of the "internet experts" here were all too quick to condemn this coin as a coin that was post-mint altered or plated. Two (and probably more) are known to exist. --- That's offencive, our opinions were asked and was given!
***Give your opinion without criticising others and labelling us for our efforts!*** ---Seriously you are just giving a false sense of hope where there is likely none. One with a little graphite on a finger and rubbed could probably get the same effect, or whatever! --- IMO, looking at the picture witch is of poor quality shows a slight copper huh on the highlights. ---As far as PMD, (please)! ---It's been punched with some emblem and clearly damaged the reverse side of the coin, clearly not the mint's doing, hence PMD! ---Furthermore you are offering a unsubstantiated anecdotal statement that there are others that exist, show me! heck show us!! ---I'm not an (internet expert)!
That's me being nice.
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Seriously you are just giving a false sense of hope where there is likely none. I didn't say the coin was a legitimate off-metal error, I am just offering to test the coin if there is no evidence of underlying copper, for free. Why don't you ask smallcentguy about that 1942 shown in this thread, or nickelsguy about his error coins, and if I had not offered to test their coins. If I didn't offer a "false sense of hope", everyone would write off every coin that was not the norm, including real errors. Some folks here even tried to dismiss wade's two dollar error (see his avatar) as something that was plated and shoved into a socket. As nickelsguy stated: Quote:
To assume this is not a legit off metal error from the images provided may be a large error itself. I could not agree more. Quote:
Furthermore you are offering a unsubstantiated anecdotal statement that there are others that exist, show me! heck show us!! Now THAT is offensive. I have shown you, both on this thread and the one I posted the link to. These coins exist because myself and other experienced error collectors know what to look for, and have found them and I even tested them with both XRF and the SEM. The two 1967 coins I mentioned, are genuine off-metal errors, as is the 1942 shown in this thread (I even provided the details to the specific publication which proved it). There are also other coins which are not necessarily off-metal, but have alloy mixing errors or impurities. The 1859 brass cent is one example (which I have analyzed as well). I have other examples, including some in a paper that will be published in the CN Journal this June. The masonic punch was blatantly obvious - that was not the reason why this coin was posted. Lastly, criticism is supposed to be constructive - I don't want collectors throwing away their coins based solely on interpretations from internet images, without at least given a chance to have them seen by experienced error collectors (of which I am one). We know that lighting and other photographic nuances can even make internet grading difficult, let alone trying to analyze an error coin. You are entitled to your opinion - but so am I. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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05/10/2012 08:53 am
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Has the coin been weighed yet? How about a comparison ring tone test?
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Do you here your self--SPP-Ottawa--or is that the point?Quote:
Lastly, criticism is supposed to be constructive That's deep!---Calling us "Internet experts" Is insulting, derogatory and demeaning! All because we gave our opinion that differed from yours! ---I say us, because I was not the only one that commented on that penny. --- Do you call that constructive?---Who do you think you are? An expert like you say who tries to belittle others! ---Chances are this was a "basement job", as some would term it when somebody messes around with a coin for kicks. ---My opinion is, you should come down off your posterring and explaining your expertise and your papers, please! ---One who is knowledgeable and has wisdom, does not have to boost and is more humble. --- Furthermore, man up and apologize instead of diverting from the real issue witch it is! --- Sure, if our new member whats to send it to you, whatever, personally I wouldn't but have other opinions by all means. My opinion remains the same. ---It has PMD and I'm sure as much. IMO was not done by the mint. --- Regarding your so called proof! http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...IC_ID=103826that's a pretty one but what proof is that, just because you say so does not necessarily make it a mint error, reality. ---IMO I say at best a novelty product, plated! --- Show it to us certified! ---You used the 1859 brass penny as an example, you really had to go far for that one, that is legit!--- Lastly, I don't care if you have an opinion on a coin "but" I especially just don't care for your criticizing us for ours! I take exception to that! --- IMO, not a good example for our new members, I hope he or others do not leave us for fear to speak or have an opinion!
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Quote:---Regarding your so called proof! http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...IC_ID=103826that's a pretty one but what proof is that, just because you say so does not necessarily make it a mint error, reality. ---IMO I say at best a novelty product, plated! ---Show it to us certified! 1. Not because I say so, but because the instrument says so. You now want to debate against the laws of physics? You believe the opinion of a grader at a certification company, but not scientific fact? 2. It is because "I said so", to Louis Chevier of CCCS, that both examples in this thread are certified. PCGS also has certified planchets identified by me, based on their compositions. Specifically, two dollar off-metal strikes. ICCS does not certify off-metal errors, except the 1859 brass. CCCS, unlike you, trusts the results of the instruments - in fact, CCCS and major dealers alike send me stuff to analyze the composition of some of their "mystery coins". 3. smallcentguy, would you mind photographing and posting the "proof" for that 1942 cent, including the photo of the coin in the CCCS hard holder? t_y, want to bring one of your off-metal twoonies over, so I can photograph the "proof" in a PCGS holder? So, when a policeman pulls you over for speeding, do you believe the speed measured by the radar gun, or do you counter what the police officer says with your "humble opinion"? Sheesh... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Many times opinions are given on chat boards which lead those seeking information down the wrong path. It is very difficult to challenge an opinion with typed words. There are MANY known examples of legitimate off metal errors being "written off" as plated etc. because that is what the main stream has SEEN, not because they know. I own a vast number of off metal errors (Canadian) and fought for years with others about it. Do silver 1 cent coins exist from 1940........YES.......are there plated versions.....YES......are there mercury coated coins.....YES. Value 1 cent? ummmmmm for at least one of the above .....yes. To advise that this is anything factually from the images (except counter stamped....to some will add value)provided is impossible. The coin would have to examined in hand. JOP dollars are PMD but highly collected. Many Mason's may wish to have this. To give advice which is potentially flawed as has been done here, does a service to no one. I have gained a reputation by educating about counterfeits and errors. It is difficult to get collectors to think outside of the box. Look at the 1 cent coin posted. There are only 2 facts. 1) it is counter stamped 2)it is not as intended(copper colour) All possibilities must be considered. To say using a poor image that it is plated is an error no error collector should make. commoncents13, read the article in Canadian Coin News challenging the "Errorman's" authenticating of a HOME MADE errors. It is a good one. |
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Heh... Morning nickelsguy, a great day for fishing walleye....
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--Lastly, I don't care if you have an opinion on a coin "but" I especially just don't care for your criticizing us for ours! I take exception to that! Welcome to the real world. Our hobby advances by asking questions and being critical of the norm. Frankly, dismissing a coin's composition based on a low resolution photo is fair game to having different opinions. I never stated that the coin was legitimate, I only offered to test it for free, before it is tossed away... and showed examples of other coins dismissed by Internet opinions, that were, in fact, legitimate off-metal errors. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Has the coin been weighed yet?  That is the first question that should have been asked and then answered quickly but the OP has not returned for four days now. |
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SPP can I come for the opening of walleye with you?
Non of my buddies are going this year!
(Sorry if I'm high-jacking this thread.Didn't mean too.)
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I don't have a photo of the 1942 at hand and the coin is currently in safekeeping. But I will get a photo taken soon. unfortunately, I would say that the photo earlier in the thread does capture the true colour. It is a completely uniform white silver colour.
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--Lastly, I don't care if you have an opinion on a coin "but" I especially just don't care for your criticizing us for ours! I take exception to that! You reply with: Quote:
Welcome to the real world. Our hobby advances by asking questions and being critical of the norm. ---Criticizing with demining and derogatory name calling is not necessary. ---You just sollidified my opinion of you and for all to see!  "Thanks" Edited by commoncents13
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