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2012-S ATB Qtrs ( Circulating Quality )

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There are plenty of extra unlabeled holes at the end of the ATB Dansco albums.

My 8146 has no holes to spare... Do you have an old version of the album?
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I'm going to be taking a pass on these. I think that getting a P-mint, D-mint, clad proof and a silver proof version of each quarter is enough, especially since there are 5 per year.

If the ATB Quarter series had these S-mint circulated coins from the beginning, and if they were actually being released for circulation through banks, I might - might - feel differently.
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Take back what I said about creating a rarity for the sake of creating a rarity. Looks like these will be minted to demand:

http://www.numismaticnews.net/buzz/...uld-increase
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Thanks for letting us know that the Mint will meet demand. Now that makes sense. I wonder how long each design will be available for sale? I hope they post the closing date, when they first go on sale. Otherwise it'll be a crazy mad rush to buy them.
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I'm wondering... If you're hoping to cherry-pick gems, which tends to be a better bet, bags or rolls? My instinct would be rolls because they would spend less time bouncing around with other coins, but the rolls would have gone through coin rolling machines, which means extra processing by machines.

I was thinking I'd open a roll or two of each design, pick out the nicest few, and spend the rest on laundry. It'd give those poor quarter roll searchers something to hope for.
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My 8146 has no holes to spare... Do you have an old version of the album?
The 8146 Dansco album is only half the series, from 2010~2015; and yes, it is slammed full.

I was referring to the 8147 (2016~2021). The 8147 album will have 16 free holes on the last page since there is only one quarter that year (Tuskegee, Alabama). So there is plenty of room for these five new 2012-S quarters. Hopefully it remains a one time event and not continue for the rest of series.

By the way, the 7145 (P&D album) has eight open holes at the end.

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We'll probably need the holes at the end of the 8147/7145 for the rest of the designs they put out in 2011 (they're probably either going to extend the program or start a new program).
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I assume you meant 2021?

The legislation allows them to do the commemorative quarter series again for what would be a third round in 2022~2033. This would require another set of albums, not modifications of the existing ones.
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as much as I love the States/ATBs, I really hope they just stick with one design after this series.
I read somewhere on there that the obverse would stay the same but the reverse would be an image of washington crossing the river? aka new jersey State Quarter.

Anything can get old after too long. I hope they end it before it becomes annoying. Its obviously already getting there for some.
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They should do 6 quarters in 2020 so that it works out nice and even like the state/territories.
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They should do 6 quarters in 2020 so that it works out nice and even like the state/territories.
When they originally announced the program, I thought they were going to have six the last year just as before. Then I realized that 2010~2021 is twelve years inclusive.

The DC/Territorial program was an afterthought; Dansco decided to sell supplemental pages and not issue new "eleven year" albums (separate DC/T albums do exist). Because this was an individual run of pages, they were made to have fewer holes. For full albums, Dansco seems to avoid mixing page styles (with a few exceptions, like the 7070 and FE/IHC albums). So regardless of the termination date, the extra holes would still be there.

So, will 2021 have a very small total mintage of quarters (one fifth of the typical) or will the lone 2021 quarter have the largest mintage of the series (five times the typical).
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It'll be weird if the SF coins becomes a separate series for Dansco, as the NCLT SF coins are still part of the ATB series. If the SF issues are continued in 2013, they just have to add an extra makeup page for every two years, similar to the make up P/D territorial page for the State Quarter album, or they can add one new make up page for all four years, preserving the symmetry of the 8146. If quarters aren't issued for those years from SF the holes could be for extras or left blank. What an annoying state of affairs to stir up the series in the middle. I don't even want to speculate how the 8147 would be affected if the SF issues continue to the end.
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I initially was going to pass on these coins but then I changed my mind. I have been "collecting" two sets of each pair of ATB Quarter since the series started. If I want to keep this collection intact I most likely will have to get one or two rolls of the "S" minted coins even if it isn't a "real" rarity.

However, the real question then becomes "Since the uncirculated coin is not in the proof set, is the proof set incomplete"? Just wondering..............
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It'll be weird if the SF coins becomes a separate series for Dansco, as the NCLT SF coins are still part of the ATB series.
I doubt they will be treated as a separate series.

Worst case is that Dansco (and the other) ignore it, like they have (so far) ignored the satin coins.

Best case is that they redo the albums, like they did the Jefferson and Lincoln albums to accommodate the special commemorative issues.

It is a mess, for sure. One the mint could have avoided by not doing something this stupid to being with.


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However, the real question then becomes "Since the uncirculated coin is not in the proof set, is the proof set incomplete"? Just wondering..............
No, the proof set is not incomplete. It is a proof set, not an S-mint set.
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No, the proof set is not incomplete. It is a proof set, not an S-mint set.


The proof sets are created with the S-mint mark, so in essence they are an S-mint set. That is unless the new circulation coins are considered an enhancement of the circulated proof set. But at that point we are considering playing a game of semantics. But they needed to complete the circulating sets. So we are then forced to included in a set whether or not they are recognized by the album creators. Whether they like them or not.
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