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 Posted 06/02/2012  6:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add beth4365 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

My husband has had a box of coins laying around and we've been trying to find out what things are worth. There are 2 gold dollars.

We've been to three coin shops and are very confused.

All three offered about $125 on one of the coins. The other one, an 1857 C gold dollar is causing confusion.

One of the three said the coin was a counterfeit. One said that we should get the coin certified and he felt it would be worth $7-900. The third one said getting the coin certified was "iffy". He said there was a very slight bend and that it might not get certification. He also said though, that if it did get certified, it would make the coin "much more valuable" and he offered $700.

So. We really don't know what to do. We do not want to become coin collectors. We just want to sell our coins for a fair price.

Would anyone here have any advice? I don't know the process for getting a coin certified. I did read a bit and it sounds like I have to purchase some membership just to get the coin certified.

I'd really appreciate any info or advice you all might have.

Thanks very much.

Beth
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 Posted 06/02/2012  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF. If you post good quality photos front and back there are members here that can help you. The pros can tell you if it's worth getting professionally graded and how to do it.
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 Posted 06/02/2012  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to Coin Community, Beth. Nice of you to trust us with your very valid questions.

First. Your 1857 Charlotte Mint Dollar is a relatively scarce and valuable coin, and I believe the advice offered by the three who looked at it is basically all solid, and illustrative of the pitfalls of coin valuation.

It's all subjective. First, condition - relative wear, potential damage, previous cleaning - have a real impact on the value of the coin. Condition, first and foremost. Coin grading is a very subjective process - certain minimal standards for a given grade are pretty much universally accepted but series-specific knowledge is quite important. Especially in the case of your 1857-C, for which (in my opinion) $700 is a bare-minimum value. This is a coin whose value, if it hasn't seen circulation, reaches 5-figure numbers.

Not knowing the actual condition of the coin - if you've the ability to take clear images of the coin and post them here, it would be of great assistance - I can only offer the broadest of guidance.

As you've learned, the authentication and grading process could involve purchase of a "membership." There are 4 generally-accepted TPG's (Third-Party Graders) whose services are trustworthy as regards authentication and grading - PCGS, NGC, ANACS and ICG. Those are listed in the order of their relative return in the marketplace (popular perception of their quality has a bearing), but all may be trusted to correctly authenticate your coin. Its' rarity, to me, pretty much requires this process to maximize your return. This is a coin valuable-enough to require authentication to create confidence in potential buyers that it isn't a counterfeit.

PCGS and NGC require memberships to submit coins, although some affiliated dealers can broker a submission for you. ANACS and ICG do not, but trustworthy as they are, their slabs simply do not usually achieve the same value in the marketplace as the first two.

Now, having buried you under words (it's what I do best), here's what I'd recommend: Spend the money to submit your 1857-C to either PCGS or ANACS. This won't be cheap; the cost of grading goes up with estimated value. If you can share your general location, we can suggest trustworthy local dealers to contact for a PCGS submission. ANACS will cost you a bit of return but the submission is a far simpler and somewhat cheaper process which you can do from home.

We need to come up with a fair estimate of the condition of the coin. As I mentioned, it would really help if you could provide fairly clear images of the coin.
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If you decide to send the 1857-C gold dollar in for authentication, and I second SuperDave's recommendation that you do, send the other gold dollar in as well. Then you will be able to sell them easier. Having the coin authenticated/graded will also help protect you from being taken advantage of by an unscrupulous dealer.

If you decide to send the coin in to PCGS be sure to ask the authorized dealer if he has any fees in addition to the PCGS fee for submitting your coins for you. Some charge a small fee and some don't charge a fee at all. Also, be sure to have the dealer give you a photocopy of his submission form showing the coin(s) listed or at least have him/her sign a receipt for the coins so you have proof that you gave him/her the coins for submission should something unexpected should happen. Good luck!

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 Posted 06/03/2012  01:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter4805 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your questions. I agree entirely with all the above advice. It is easy to upload pictures to this forum. Doing so would enable us here to give you a ball park estimate of your coins values. Looking forward to hearing more from you.
All the best!
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 Posted 06/03/2012  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I respectfully disagree with submitting the other $1G until 1) you at least disclose what it is here and obtain some comments and hopefully 2) you post pictures. It's within the realm of possibility that submitting the second coin would only produce a negative return, if for example, it's an 1853 ex-jewelry piece, polished or highly circulated. A quick $125 cash might be fair on that one. Actually, $700 might be fair TO YOU on the other one seeing that it may be slightly bent, you don't want to become coin collectors, you may not want to go through the expense and hassle of grading and that it transfers all the potential risks and rewards to the dealer. Again, pictures would help, even cell phone pictures.

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 Posted 06/03/2012  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beth4365 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello again,

I'm very appreciative of everything written.

In the next couple of hours, I'll take some photographs and get them posted here.

I do recall... hearing a couple of phrases, when speaking with the dealers. Both of them said they thought.. it would be either Fine or Very Fine. Um... and.. there was something about AU 30 or 40 or 50, if I recall. He was saying something about where he thought the coin would fall.

In any case, I'll get the photos asap and get them uploaded.

Thanks again for all your help!
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 Posted 06/03/2012  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beth4365 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some photos for your consideration. Thanks very much for taking a look.

Beth

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 Posted 06/03/2012  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beth4365 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the other gold dollar we have. We were offered $125 for it.

Again, thank you very much for taking a look.

Beth

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Based on the photos, I think it is likely that both of your coins are authentic. The remark that one of them, presumably the 1857-C, is possibly counterfeit may be due to the poor detail on the coin, where, for example, in the date, only the "7" is truly clear. This is typical for gold dollars struck at the Charlotte mint, represented by the letter "C".

You might try selling them at auction through Heritage:

https://www.ha.com/common/acquisiti...home1-102009

They do not charge for evaluating a potential consignment.

Thanks for sharing your finds.


Joseph Curwen, Gent.






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The 1852-O, I think, is fairly sold at $125.

The 1857-C looks to be about VF35 in grade; that would make it a near-$1000 coin if it makes it into a PCGS slab without a Genuine designation - the term PCGS uses for coins authenticated but not eligible for "official" grading due to cleaning, damage or some other disqualifying feature. At the rim on the obverse, below the head, I see some flattening, and what might be a dent above, under the word STATES.

Conclusion? $700 is a fair dealer offer for this coin. You lose a bit of profit in return for the convenience, and the dealer assumes the risk of a Genuine grade which will net him no more than 10-15% profit. In your shoes, I believe I'd accept the offer. The likelihood of a Genuine grade is high in this case.

Thank you for the opportunity to discuss this process. As with most threads in an online forum, many who never post will read it, and learn.
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I agree with what has been said above, I think you have talked to a very fair dealer and he offered a fair price for the coin being raw and as SsuperDdave has said he will be taking the risk of there being a problem and the price to send it in to find out. Any Charlotte minted Gold is very collectible and as you can see between the two coins you have that are the same size it is allot more valuable than some of its counterparts. Any Charlotte Minted gold coin is on my permanent want list when I can afford it because I am from that area and maybe one day I will be able to achieve that goal. Thanks for sharing your pictures and story with us. As SsuperDdave has said you can send it in yourself and you may make a little more off of that one coin but if it isn't deemed to be problem free then you could lose a little by taking this chance (when you include the price of shipping and grading the coin) but that is something you and your husband will have to decide if its worth the risk to try
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I say solid advice just above from the 2 moderators. Enjoy your hassle and risk free $825 and release the coins back into the collectors' world. Then if you ever cross paths with anyone that needs a coin shop, send them to shop #3. Thanks for the pictures. Only 13,280 of those 1857-C were minted and it was interesting to see. Good luck!
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I'm in Charlotte, and wish I could afford one! Nice to see some of the old Charlotte gold - you don't see it very often.
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Hi all,

It looks like I can make my way back to the coin shop and sell my coins with confidence! In large part, because of all of you experts! A great addition to the Internet.

Thanks again everyone!

Beth
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