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Update on Coin #3: it could, I suppose, be a half-thaler: KM#1146, CV $800 in VF. There are a couple of differences between the example pictured in Krause and your one (most notably the Spanish arms in the lower right quarter of the shield). The thaler, unfortunately, is un-illustrated. I suppose you'd tell the difference by size and weight: If I understand correctly (and these pictures in Krause are correct), a ½ thaler is about 37mm diameter and should weigh ~15 grams; a full thaler 43mm and ~30 grams. If it really is a thaler, I'd hate to hazard a guess at value, but it would probably be in the multiple thousands. The Davenport catalogue has this to say: Breslau thalers of Leopold I are difficult to obtain, especially the earlier years...extremely rare...is the 1 thaler with staff and orb...Anyways, to continue the ID list... Coin 8: As has been indicated, a Russian rouble of 1798, Tsar Pavel (Paul) I. The cross is formed from four "Cyrillic P" letters (shaped the same as the Greek letter Pi). KM/C# 101a, CV $90 in VF. Coin 9: Prussia 1 thaler 1778, "A" mintmark. KM# 332.1, CV $125 in VF. Coin 10: Another Prussian thaler, this one 1751, "B" mintmark. KM# 256, CV $250 in VF. Coin 11: Man, this one's got me stumped. It seems a 30 kreuzer (or some similar denomination starting with "KR"), and that's the portrait and titles of Maria Theresa, Empress of Austria - so it's somewhere in the Hapsburg domain - the griffins holding the shield point to some king of Austrian States issue, but I can't see any listed with that particular arms. Most of the "normal" 30 kreuzer coins from Austria or Austrian states feature a prominent diamond shape which the portrait etc rests in; this coin doesn't have that. I can't see a date anywhere on the coin, either, which is unusual for the time period we're talking about (Maria Theresa ruled 1765-1780). The only other clue: there seems to be some mention on the obverse to "VIEN" - I would assume Vienna, Austria. Maybe it's an "Empress visits the Mint" souvenir kind of thing. I can't make it out from the pic; what's the rest of the wording under the portrait say? Coin 12: Prussia 1/3rd thaler 1769 B, KM# 303, CV $25 in VF Coin 13: Prussia 1/6th thaler 1764 E, KM# 299, CV $15 in VF Coin 14: That's a toughie - partly because of the fuzzy pic, partly because one of the few legible words is the ruler's name: Alexander. That name sent me down quite a few garden paths before I found the prize: it's a coin of the Margravate of Brandenburg-Ansbach, Duke Alexander (1757-1795). 20 kreuzers. It looks most like KM#255.2, which was a one-year-type (1764 S). CV for that one is $30 in VF; this one with a much nicer picture from CoinArchives sold for 120 euro ($153). Coin 15: Nuremberg 20 kreuzers, looks like 1767. KM# 344, CV $40 in VF. this one on CoinArchives from 1766 sold for $83 in 2001. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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02/19/2007 07:13 am
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SAP, are we talking about the same #3? Is this shooting medal or thaler or half-thaler, you got me confused  All the others, I thank you very much, for this very quick replying and doing all this work. I must admit, I would've been lost without you helping! -JJ- Edited by -JJH-
02/19/2007 07:40 am
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Whups, sorry... I meant coin 4, the "rare" one.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Ok, thanks  When I have a chance to browse through this treasure once again, I shall weight and measure the #4 coin. That's when we'll know which one is it. I will let all you know! -JJ- |
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-JJH- that Rouble would have no problem selling in the $200 range - Russian coinage is bringing all sorts of premiums recently.
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Im posted #3 on another website who is currently talking about shooting thalers , I am trying to get you some more info, great job SAP, and TwoKopeiki
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Thank you, scoutjim99. Let me know what you find out about the #3.
-JJ-
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Well spotted, JJH - that's it. Galicia and Lodomeria (Polish state) 30 kreuzers 1775. KM/C# 3, CV $60 in Fine, $100 in VF. Highest the catalogue goes is $150 in EF; methinks the seller there may be a tad optimistic asking for $500 opening bid for one. Polish states - that's what threw me. None of the other Polish states have the Austrian emperor/empress on them. Still, I knew Austria grabbed a slice of Poland during the partitioning, so I should have looked there more closely.  Note of interest: "OSW" in the reverse legend (above the right griffin) is the Latinized abbreviation for "Auschwitz". Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Thank you, Sap, for the CV for this coin too, now only the #3 Shooting Thaler value is missing. Hopefully scoutjim99 gets some info on that. Btw, Sap, I believe OSW refers to Oswiecim, which was renamed Auschwitz (by Germans after occupation of Poland?). Ok, technically you are correct that it's the same place . -JJ- |
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Isn't this the same coin as in picture #11...quite a high price realized!! http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotvi...=243&Lot=435Next, I posted the picture of #4 coin to a couple of auctionhouses, about the possible value. One of them replied that the price range could be somewhere around 2000/2500 euros or app. $2500-$3200! Just to let you know. -JJ- |
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Yes, Saxony is right. As the inscription around the portrait suggests - "Albert by the Grace of God King of Saxony". A similar portrait can be found on the coins from that time; Albert was king from 1873 until 1902. That is about all I can tell you though since I don't actually collect shooting medals ...
this is all the info I have for you on the shooting thaler right now,
Sorry
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Thank you, scoutjim99, for the info you were able to find.
I'm very happy to get all this exact information about 14 out of 15 items. So I must say: thank you all, who sacrificed their time in this!
-JJ-
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Ok, now all of the items have been identified. The last unidentified one was "coin" #3 that is actually a Shoooting Medal. To be more exact, I found this to be Saxon Militär-Schießprämienmedaille M.1874, most likely it is 2nd, 3rd or 4th class, depends on the dimensions and weight of the medal; I'll check this out next weekend. And depending on the class, the value is somewhere around $120 - $210.
So, now the task is complete, finally! Once more, I thank you all who participated in this!
-JJ-
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