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Valued Member
Finland
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Hello,
I had the privilege and honor to browse through and catalog a HUGE treasure collected by a merchant captain between 1930's and 1950's. This gentleman passed away in 1965 and his collection of thousands of coins has been left alone for 4 decades until last saturday.
Most of the coins were identified with Krause catalogs but I didn't possess the catalogs from 17th and 18th century and thus some of the coins were not identified. There were around 20 coins older than 1801 and 15 of them were still in such a condition that they could be identified. I took photographs of these 15 coins (I apologize the poor quality of the photos, but hopefully they still help) and I ask your help in identifying and finding some sort of catalog value for them (although these coins will not be sold, it's just something that would be very nice to know).
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-JJ- Edited by -JJH-
02/27/2007 05:48 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I can't help with identification of those because I don't have the proper references either. I'm sure someone will be along to help, though. I must say there are some awesome looking coins in that group !!!
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Australia
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I'm pretty sure no 3 is a medal and not a coin. 'Dem Besten Shutzen' means 'The best shooter', this is probably a prize from a shooting competition.
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Czech Republic
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#8 is a Russian Rouble (Pavel I)
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Czech Republic
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#6 is Germany (Saxony) Thaler - known as Three Brothers, from what I remember.
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United States
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#3 is a Shooting THaler I Believe, the majority are german And MAybe Some Austrian, I believe I recognise most of them and even own some of them or similar, but I do not have my books in front of me, they are on loan, My German Book should Cover most. Maybe 1 polish coin . #6 is SAxon and #3 is a Shooting Thaler ( the Swiss and The Germans )Mostly Swiss are Big on the Shooting Medals, Because every man is a member of the Militia and they Practice often with their arms as Citizen Soliders so to Speak
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Valued Member
 Finland
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Thanks, TwoKopeiki for the info on #8. Any idea of the value?
scoutjim99, which ones do you refer to be medals? Numbers #3 and #6?
Thank you all so far for the info, but keep'em coming if you know or happen to remember some more :)
-JJ-
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United States
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#3 Is the medal (Shotting Thaler) # 6 is A German States Coin *Saxony*
12 and 13 are German and 14 I would Say 315 appears to have the Austrian reverse also 1,4,5 appear to have a similar reverse the two headed eagle iscommon on austrian, some german, Some Polish and SOme Russian coins
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United States
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# 6 Is saxon weather it be Saxony or SAxony-Colburg-Saalfield for example or many other city state cobination I do not Know , the German coin Book I have only goes back to 1601 but I am lookinthrough it to see if I can get you some better info.
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I think 1, 4 and 5 are Austrian the two headed eagle in 4 an 5 with their Crest or shield do not appear to match up to any german ones. the problem with 14 is I can not narrow it down the photo is hard to read I know a few german city states made coins that look similar I have 2 of them my self
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United States
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#11 has a similar crest to the Hesse-Cassel or other Hession city states
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Valued Member
Finland
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I agree on the #4 and #5 that these are most likely Austrian; both these coins have text on them, something that begins with: "Archdux" or "Archdvx" (Archduke?) and the next word seems to be "Aust." or "Avst." (referring to Austria, I believe).
Number #14 is a bit tough one, especially since the picture is very poor. But when running the pic through Paint Shop Pro, I think there is a number "20" on it, just below the shield/crest...possibly nominal value of 20 Kreuzer? On the other side (the side with bust and laurel wreath or something like that), I think it might me stating the kings/emperors name on the left...could it be Alexander...? It also seems that the coin is from 18th century (17 is barely visible, but the two last digits are impossible to see).
-JJ-
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Well soryy my friend I am falling a sleep on you, I will look more tommorow, but I bet SAp is already looking them up for you, he is really good at Attributing coins , and finding out info. Goood Luck
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Finland
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Hey, no problem. I warmly thank you for looking all this information already  -JJ- |
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Wow, that's quite a long list of items. Let's see what we've got here. Coin 1: a thaler of the German city-state of Nuremberg, 1763. KM# 339. This coin commemorates the Peace of Hubertusburg at the end of the Thirty Years War. CV $125 in VF. Coin 2: a thaler of the Duchy of Liegnitz-Brieg, Silesia (modern southern Poland), 1608. KM/Dav# 7708. The two brothers ruled the two halves of the duchy: Johann Christian held Brieg, George Rudolph held Liegnitz. CV $300 in VF. Coin 3: Most likely, as has been stated, a shooting medal. This one is Saxon, not Swiss; the obverse is very similar to the coins of King Albert of Saxony (1873-1902), but the motto is slightly different and the relief is much higher. Is there anything engraved around the rim? Coin 4: Austria 1 thaler 1662, Breslau mint, KM# 1199. CV unstated; this coin is listed as "rare". Coin 5: Austria 1 thaler 1632, Breslau mint, KM#516.11. CV $600 in VF. Coin 6: As TwoKopeiki said, it's a Saxon "three brothers" thaler, 1592. It's beyond my Krause references, but it's in my Davenport book of world crowns and thalers: Dav#9820. CV back in 1982 was $175 in VF, $250 in EF. This one in EF on CoinArchives sold for $560 in 2005, so around $350 seems rreasonable for a VF specimen. Coin 7: Man, this one was tough, (got side-tracked looking for coins from "Bratislava", Slovakia - wrong!) but I finally found it: a thaler of the city-state of Breslau (now known as Wroclaw, Poland), 1546. The coat of arms on the coin is still used by the city today. It's outside the range of Krause, but I found a couple of examples on CoinArchives: This one sold for 100 euros (=US$1400) at the time. It's listed in Davenport as #8993, $500 in VF in 1982. One thing I must add at this point is I'd strongly suggest taking them to a dealer expert in early modern European coins for hands-on authentication. I can't speak on the authenticity of these coins, but I do know that a large number of high-quality fake early Polish coins came on the market some years ago. That's it for part one, anyway. Stand by for the rest of the answers... Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Valued Member
Finland
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WOW! Thank you SAP for this info. If anything else comes up, please, let me know.
Coin 3: I'll let you know about the rim, when I next time have a chance to look at the coin.
Coin 4: Ok...listed as "rare". I understand that in these cases the price is between buyer and seller. This time, this coin will not be sold. What would be your educated guess about the CV for this one. Hey, your guess does not have to be spot on, just interested knowing in what range the price would go.
When talking about high-quality fakes, ok it is not impossible that these coins aren't fakes. But nevertheless I must point out that these coins have been sitting in an album and placed in a wooden chest for a minimum of 6 decades! I know this, because these are pieces from a lot, collected by that late sea captain, who passed away in 1965. I know that his daughter, now an old lady, has not been interested about this heavy chest and the chest has been sitting unopened for an eternity. And as a matter of fact, she moved some time ago and she was about to throw this chest away, just because she thought it was filled with garbage-coins, worth nothing! I persuaded her to hang on to this chest and that's when she wanted me to check out what is actually contains! Thus, I do believe that these coins really are genuine ones.
Thank you,
-JJ-
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