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Why No Predecimal Coins In Circulation?

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In the UK you would find lots of George VI and Elizabeth II (and once a George V!) shillings and florins in circulation right up until the sizes of the 5p and 10p coins were changed in the 90s. It's only just occurred to me that when I lived in Australia a few years back I never once saw a sixpence, shilling or florin in my change. I thought you guys would be ones to tell me why. Were they withdrawn after decimalisation? If so, did they cease to be legal tender?

I think I've just answered my own question whilst typing this by finding that those predecimal coins in Australia retained a silver content whereas their UK equivalents were 100% cupro-nickel from 1947. Is that right? I'm still interested in knowing the details if anyone can help.
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You have indeed answered your own question :)

They do show up very rarely but as you have noticed, due to the silver content of Australian pre-decimals, they are more likely to have been removed from circulation due to their bullion value exceeding face value.
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.500 fine silver coins were issued up until 1964 in Australia. They were withdrawn after 1966, when decimal currency was introduced.

I collect world coins, but not after the time when silver no longer was issued, for ANY country.

For me REAL money is real money, fiat money is fiat money.

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Thanks for the replies!

I used to drive a fiat. It wasn't very good.
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I have found quite a few sixpences in 5c, only one shilling in 10c and a couple florins in 20c. Its pretty unusual but always great to find silver rather than the odd Looking coin in the pile being a bloody NZ coin
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Were they withdrawn after decimalisation? If so, did they cease to be legal tender?

...those predecimal coins in Australia retained a silver content whereas their UK equivalents were 100% cupro-nickel from 1947. Is that right?

The answer to all three of your questions is, "yes".

Australian predecimal "silver" coins actually were made of silver, unlike in Britain. This hastened their disappearance thanks to the combination of both official withdrawal from circulation (and remelting for profit) and unofficial hoarding (and remelting for profit).

And yes, though not demonetized, predecimal coins were no longer legal tender here. In Australia, the pound was replaced with a completely new currency system. In Britain, the pound was never replaced and the old coins never declared no longer legal tender. Rather, they were allocated new values under the decimal system. Only the coins that didn't fit easily into the decimal system (denominations of sixpence and below) were formally withdrawn.
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ive found 2 x sixpences and 1 nz florin during my noodling. :)
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 Posted 06/19/2012  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add penny dreadful to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver coins from the pre-decimal era are rarely encountered nowadays, as others have mentioned.


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I have found quite a few sixpences in 5c, only one shilling in 10c and a couple florins in 20c. Its pretty unusual but always great to find silver rather than the odd Looking coin in the pile being a bloody NZ coin


Yep, NZ coins are frequently encountered. Actually it is a rare event to get a stack of coins from the bank to noodle, and find no kiwi coins somewhere in there....3x NZ 20c just last night in $100 worth of 20's....
Over the years, I've found a couple of sixpences - and a British one dated 1896, one florin and a NZ 1934 shilling in change.
With the new coin sorting machines being introduced to suburban banks, I reckon the old silver coins will get even harder to find, as the machines would presumably reject them. When tellers manually count coins they tend not to notice an older coin, just as long as the general shape looks right...
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 Posted 06/19/2012  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't found a predecimal in my change since the early 1970s.
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