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A Scarcer Reverse Type For Probus From Lugdunum

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One of my collecting obsessions is the coinage of Probus from the mint of Lugdunum.
I have tracked down examples of most of the reverse types but there are still a couple that evade me.
I was very happy to recently added one of these missing reverse types to my collection. Oddly enough I didn't just add one example of the reverse type but managed to obtain two examples with different bust types within a month of each other.

The reverse legend of COMITI PROBI AVG is relatively common but primarily associated with the Minerva reverse type. The legend also occurs with Hercules standing left, holding olive-branch, club and lion skin. These tend to be a lot scarcer.

Dr. Pierre Bastien wrote a set of definitive volumes on the output of Lugdunum and this provides some insight into how scarce these are. Bastien lists examples with and without dots in the obverse legends as different entries. Since his death there have been two supplements to the series of books to include additional types and examples.

Here are my recent additions:-

Minted in Lugdunum (//IIII) Emission 7, Officina 4. Summer A.D. 281 (Bastien dating). Both coins are classified as RIC 71 Bust Type C.

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Bastien 332 (1 example cited). Bastien 331 is the same type with dots in the obverse legend and he cites 4 examples. I have had information from Dr. S. Estiot, who has taken on the baton with documenting this coinage that this coin is now the second example known. Dr. Estiot has asked if she can add this coin to the forthcoming third supplement to the Bastien series of books.

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Bastien 330 (2 examples cited) this example with an unlisted reverse legend break though this isn't unexpected. Dr. Estiot has confirmed that this is now the third known example with the other examples being in Oxford and Vienna.

I am now on the hunt for the same reverse type but with the more common cuirassed bust.

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Martin
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 Posted 06/21/2012  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats, beautiful examples.
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Congrats on the two pickups and nice coins to boot. I have generally stayed away from Probus coins for no particular reason other then they seem to be generally very common. When I was last in Croatia, I ran across a ton of Probus coins, mostly from the Siscia mint, which verified in my mind how common the Probus coins can be. However, you make a good case for these coins especially from Lugdunum. I checked my Probus coins of which I have four. None of which are from Lugdunum. Two from Rome, and one each from Siscia and Serdica. I will be keeping an eye open for any I see from Lugdunum. Once again congrats on these two additions.

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 Posted 06/22/2012  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If there is any ruler of the late 3rd century that has plenty of rare coins to collect, interesting types and good art work, Probus is your man. In all honesty I've never understood Martin's fascination with Lyon (far from my favorite Probus mint) but I'm glad they have someone to love them. Most unusyal about Probus is his wide array of obverse variations. Sure he has the usual bust right stuff like all the emperors but he has great consular busts, a huge variation in military bust including some with special shields and even one I'd really like to have where the obverse bust is accompanied by his horse's head (that one is expensive). The only thing I really have against Probus is that there are way too many people collecting his rarities and the best works on his coins are not in English.

I maintain solely from coin evidence that Probus owned more suits of armor than any other ruler and must never have been seen twice in the same duds. Yes, coins of Probus are generally common but there are enough good ones mixed in that you can have a couple hundred and not have a single boring one (and still not compete with Martin for his choice of mints).

I can never decide which is my favorite but I have always been partial to this Serdica with fancy shield and gorgon breastplate:
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 Posted 06/25/2012  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All nice Probus coins!

I agree, I've seen a lot of variety while browsing coins. Probus coins are very common, given a 2 on the rarity scale at Dirty Old Coins. Also, receiving rank 9 in AORTA. The lower the number, the more common the emperor would be. Probus coins that have the silver wash intact are supposed to be somewhat rare and command a higher price as usual.
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perfect coin
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 Posted 06/25/2012  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eng5858 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

maridvnvm,

very nice, well struck, nice details...great coin's....

dougsmit,

sweet!!, they didn't make them any better than that, Wow.....
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