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 Posted 06/24/2012  7:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here is a nice little coin I added to my collection from Carthago Nova. I find the early coins from this city to be interesting but rather hard to attribute. I don't know how Numismatists have been able to, in general, categorize Cathaginian coins by dates as there is usually no inscriptions. Hats off to them.
There some nice Roman coins that come from Carthago Nova also, after they took over.



I'm not positive on the attribution but something like:

1/4 Calco, Barcids in Spain, Time of Hannibal, AE 12, 237-228 BC, 1.6 gm
Head of Tanit, Helmet.

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#44 here:http://www.ancient-coins.com/resour...ppendix%20#1



And here is another recent addition, dated earlier, that I'm not positive about, but I think it is:

370-264 BC: Early Siculo-Punic Bronze Coinage, Sicily?
Sear 6444 Head of Tanit l./ Horse r. palm-tree in background, three pellets in triangular arrangement.
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#19 here:http://www.ancient-coins.com/resour...nd%20Pyrrhus



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 Posted 06/24/2012  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful coins Doucet. I have a couple of Roman coins from Carthage, my earliest is a Julius Caesar from 47/6 BC and one of my newer additions is a Constantius I from Carthage. Yours are truly nice coins and would be welcomed in my or anyone's collection
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 Posted 06/24/2012  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
both very nice coins. I like the helmet and horse reverses.
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 Posted 06/24/2012  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow => I love both coins (it's a double-dribble violation!!)



Helmet => super-cool

Horse => dang ... man, you know how I love the animal coins => total winner!!

... and don't get me started about the awesome desert-sand patina ... yup dawg, looks like you have a couple of total-winners, at least in "my" books!!

... it's always nice to see a good dude grab some awesome coins!!

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I think the only way this series could be dated is by gathering a large group of them together in a museum and classifying them into groups according to style, then have an ancient art expert examine them to assess each group and subgroup according to a progression in style.

Once a photofile has been estabalished, it then becomes a matter of comparison to consider a coin to be dated against the photofile database.
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both of those reverses are great! awesome coins!
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very nice coins
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 Posted 06/25/2012  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice! I have been looking for a Carthage coin for some time.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect these coins represent two locales.
If the first is Cartegena, Spain (known as Cartago Nova [new]), the second looks like an original Carthage to my eyes.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Love those greeks!
Great reverses! Great coins!
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 Posted 06/25/2012  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone


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I think the only way this series could be dated is by gathering a large group of them together

This is probably exactly the way it was done.


Quote:
I suspect these coins represent two locales.


Yes, the first is Cartegena, the second is Carthage but may have actually been minted in Sicily while the Carthaginians were in control there.
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Maybe archaelogical excavations would be partly responsible for dating, in this case any organic material would be carbon dated, other finds that are attributable and then there is thermoluminescence.
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 Posted 06/27/2012  01:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eng5858 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Doucet,

Two great coins, love the color.......nice.
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 Posted 08/07/2012  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have both coins! Carthage makes up the bulk of my coins. YAY!! Hannibal's Traveling mint! I will post mine in another thread in a little while.
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 Posted 08/07/2012  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gotta love those Carthaginians

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 Posted 08/07/2012  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yea I was sorta upset I got out bid on what would have been my first AR Drachm of Carthage. I guess you can't win them all.
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 Posted 08/07/2012  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great looking coins.

I have wanted a Carthaginian - Horse type for years but have been waiting for the right one to come. I have just (this week) taken the plunge and added the following coin:-

Zeugitania/Siculo-Punic AE unit
Obv:- Head of Tanit left, wearing wreath of grain.
Rev: Head of horse right, Pellet before.
Minted in Zeugitania, Carthage. Circa 300-264 BC
Reference:-- SNGCop 169

21.49 mm. 5.36 g.

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