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Fakes And Forgeries

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 Posted 06/25/2012  10:54 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add larsdog to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
As a stamp collector I know which stamps to be careful of and how to spot the more obvious fakes. Is there a resource, online or otherwise, where I can learn about the more common fakes of Wheat Pennies and most 19th Century U.S. issues?
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 Posted 06/25/2012  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scropper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, lots of them. Search "numismatic forgeries" on Google and at Amazon.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a copy of Charles M. Larsons's very good book: 'Numismatic Forgery'

Gives lots of detail on how forgeries are made, but little on HOW to identify them, other than from inference as to how they are made.
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 Posted 06/26/2012  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where there aren't many wheats in the database yet, http://fakes.numismetrica.com has a large number of fake silver dollars and other pieces with die markers, weights and measures.
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Now there is a subject if you did enough research, you coulld write such a book for us all. One of the real problems with counterfeits is some are so good, many experts can not tell. Some of the faked Silver Dollars have been made with the exact same Silver as the originals. Some have been melted down to make more Numismatically higher valued coins. With todays coin collecting hobby craze, more and more different types of fakes are being found all the time. Worse yet is the latest fun they are having making faked PCGS slabs with fake coins inside.
And it is not just the really vauable coins either. So many faked coins of lesser values are popping up all the time. Some how someone has the ability to take a Mint mark off one coin and glue it on another one. Sure wish I could find a Copper S added to a Silver coin.
I remember as a kid we had so much fun removing a leg of the Buffalo on the Nickel. Or removing the D on a 1922 Cent. I like all the plated 1943 Cents that are around. I've got some that are Chomed, Zinced, Tinned and a few Copper plated.
Yes someone should really write practically an encyclopedia on them all
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 Posted 06/26/2012  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

if I was looking for a resource on forgeries, I can't think of a better starting point than CCF.
There are many posts by SwamperBob concerning his beloved Pieces-of-Eight; and many more on gold Sovereigns and Napoleons; as well as silver, bronze, and copper - ancient and modern ... and evrything between.

Don't forget that counterfeiting was sometimes official: the British counterfeited Pieces-of-Eight when they were at war with Spain; and the Germans counterfeited five-pound notes (and others) during WW2. And if you look at current threads on CCF there is plenty of counterfeiting going on today.



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Some of the most dangerous fakes are made with 3D laser optic profiling the data, from which is loaded into a cutting machine that has a diamond stylus. An original matrix (10x) is cut, using a computer program loaded with the data from the 3D optic laser optic scanning.

This matrix is then tooled carefully before a reduction hub and die is made.

The fake coins are made from melted down .900 silver from common coins, rolled and punched in the normal way. When they are struck, they can show all of the characteristic lustre of a newly minted coin.

These fakes can still be picked by examining the minute tooling marks left behind on the matrix, and of the artificial patination and wear, with the use of comparative photomicrography.

Even the collector can defend himself against these nasties, with the use of a USB microscope, and the use of the 'Net, to compare his pictures with, as well as discussion here in the CCF.

There is an analogy in the development of tank armour, and anti tank weapons designed to defeat it. Better armour gives impetus for the weapons designers to find a better way to defeat it, which gives impetus to the armour designers to design a better way to defeat the weapons ranged against it,---ad nauseum.
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