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 Posted 07/05/2012  12:48 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coinkid to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Thanks for all of the help in advance! I was just wondering how to find these coveted auctions where some of our fellow CCF members snatch auctions up for a fraction of the price. If it helps any, I live about 40 miles north of New York City, just to give you all a vantage point. I have been looking around but I really can't find much!
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 Posted 07/05/2012  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's easy. Just look at hundreds of auctions. I mean it. And know exactly what a "deal" is.

I'm a fan of 1921 Morgans. Occasionally I get good deals on them at ebay. There are currently on average 3,000 1921 Morgans listed on ebay, and I look at every one. Every single new one listed, every day, 7 days a week.

That's how you get these deals, unless you're very, very lucky. I'm not trying to discourage you - not at all - anyone can acquire the knowledge to play this game. But you need knowledge, and commitment.
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 Posted 07/05/2012  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mislisted ebay items can be great too. If they misspell what type of coin it is not that many see it and sometimes can go way below properly listed counterparts
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 Posted 07/05/2012  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinkid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, I meant live auctions but thanks for the ebay advice too :)
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Been watching some storage wars lol.

Live auctions I feel would be tougher especially if its a coin auction.

Best bet would be to find a normal auction that has some coins come up and hope no other collectors are there. Of course youll still get people bidding on the melt values but may be able to get some good deals if theyre worth far more than melt
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 Posted 07/05/2012  02:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've never attended a live auction. The chances are far too small that I'd end up with anything one could describe as a "bargain."
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My grandfather is an small-time antique dealer who sets up at flea markets so sometimes I attend auctions with him where he acquires his inventory. Not to try to dash your hopes but the coins auctioned off at these sales are often of inferior quality, extremely common, and are bid up to crazy levels by the general public that don't generally buy coins and don't know their values and thus overbid considerably. I hardly ever am able to get something at a decent price and if I am able to get a good deal it is usually on higher priced items that give the casual collector/hoarder attending these sales out of their comfortzone (i.e over $100). I once saw a bidding war on a common steel cent reach 40 dollars and it is common to see coins selling for far over high retail prices. Actually I'm thinking about consigning some of the lower end coins that I have accumulated into a nearby auction house since they get such high prices whenever coins come to auction.

Perhaps the situation is different in your area of the country .... good luck!
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Joe can I send you a roll of steel cents to auction for me ill give you a cut lol
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Also several of the coin dealers that I know often blowout all of their problem material and all the stuff that they cannot sell at auctions. One coin dealer in the area consigns a small amount of material to an auction house that has weekly auctions. They try not to saturate the market by offering small amounts, perhaps 30 to 40 lots on a weekly basis. From what I have heard they do very well on stuff that they would otherwise need to heavily discount (or wholesale) to get rid of.
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I have been a regular subscriber to two different postal auctions for around 30 years. They each have typically 5,000 lots twice a year, so that's around 12,000 lots I get to choose from annually. The other 8,000 lots are in areas of numismatics that don't interest me, such as banknotes, tokens and NCLT.

I collect all coins ancient to modern all cultures, all centuries, so long as it actually has been in circulation for use as money.
When it comes to auctions, virtually every lot is up for my consideration, but even then, I only bid on four or five lots, to keep within budget.

I then do quite a lot of research on the lots I am interested in before submitting a bid. An extensive numismatic library to know the lots, and research on several websites for comparative pricing helps. Even then I attend the view days if I can to inspect the lots, then submit written bids only, I never attend the auctions.

That puts me in a very good position to pick out the best value for money lots, for which I usually submit single low bids, not expecting to win anything.

I get lucky when I actually DO win! If I don't win, I get to keep my money, for me, that is a win / win situation.


I take full advantage of my wide numismatic interests to acquire interesting and varied numismatic items. That is how I can get good value for money, without having to use ebay, or going near a coin shop.

Nevertheless, I have a strong numismatic relationship with several coin shops, because I look for good value for money, regularly, in this area as well.
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Living 40 miles north on NYC, you can't be far from Chester, NY, where they have atleast one Coin & Stamp Auction a year (mostly in the spring)... I used to get some good deals there, then there was this little thing called divorce that erased most of my life's savings and my purchasing coins became obsolete in 2006...
Anyway, the Auction house is William J. Jenack (link below) and he can answer any questions you may have, also, if anyone has a large enough collection that he would like to sell, this may be the route to go instead of ebay as William would most likely have a seperate auction for your items, on average 400 - 500 individual lots (just not sure of what his seller fees are, but he is high end on Art & Collectables and does advertise)...


http://jenack.com/
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 Posted 07/05/2012  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broken-Coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just checked his past auctions and his last coin auction was on March 10th, below are the results from that auction...


http://jenack.com/viewauction.aspx?a=369
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 Posted 07/05/2012  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add omahaorange to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Try http://www.auctionzip.com to look for local auctions.
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Try http://www.auctionzip.com to look for local auctions.


Use their keyword search, it makes it easy to find them.
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Just at an estate auction today and they had a few coins mixed in with some other odds and ends in a display case. I wasn't there to buy coins but I watched for them to be sold. The auctioneer sold the 25 common date/heavily worn Morgans & Peace dollars per choice with the winning bidder taking as many as they wanted. They ended up selling for $55 dollars each with the 'winning' bidder taking them all. There were also some silver halves, quarters, and dimes all of which selling for much higher than melt. None of these coins were in good enough condition to command the prices that they did. I guess it is just part of auction fever setting in.
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I try to attend every local auction that offers coins. You pretty much have to be there to inspect the lots. Auctionzip is a valuable resource for locating live public sales, but the photos that auction houses put up *invariably* leave a whole lot to be desired. Auctioneers seem to feel the same effort they put into photographing furniture also works with coins. Hah!


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I've never attended a live auction. The chances are far too small that I'd end up with anything one could describe as a "bargain."

To this I offer: https://goccf.com/t/108515

You need to apply the same tenacity to public sales as you do to an ebay daily coin search. Especially with those mixed lots and 'mystery bags' that are never adequately photographed. I have found that the best auctions to find good deals are not the all-coin sales, but the estate sales with small batches of coins, typically not delineated at all, with only the word 'coins' includes along with the other stuff deemed 'collectible'. Auctions are fun and boring and exciting and frustrating all at the same time. But it's a wonderful feeling when your diligence pays off!
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