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Finally Managed To Noodle An Incused!!

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 Posted 07/06/2012  03:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add penny dreadful to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Took me 129 Millenium coins to find one.....
Couple edge bumps, otherwise not too bad
Ironic thing, is I've just noodled one from ebay Least I found this one myself...
When I got the $300 worth of 50 cents today, one of the bags was 8 coins short...don't think I'll kick up too much a fuss, considering what was in amongst them



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 Posted 07/06/2012  03:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good on you, great find
I have only found 1 of these in the wild, I got it in my change at the boozer at Pannawonica earlier this year
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 Posted 07/06/2012  03:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good find & looks in alright nick too
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 Posted 07/06/2012  03:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well done, penny dreadful
Just reward for your great noodling efforts

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One in 129, eh what?
With that stat., I would guess that perhaps 100,000 of the incuse were struck.
If that was the case, maybe a single die was used.
That could be confirmend with a die study.
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Congratualtions Penny Dreadful!
I have read that it was only 1 die, but have no idea how that was determined.
200000 and 1.2% is in a lot of ebay ads, but not sure how accurate that is either.
I think the sample here is too small to be relied on.
Also the removal of the incused ones over time would make them rarer as time passes.
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07/06/2012 04:49 am
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 Posted 07/06/2012  05:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrcruise to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great find
Always a delight to find the 3rd rearest decimal coin
Well Done
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I have always wondered if the incused die was a test die for the proof painted coins.
The larger star and the incused parts of the flag would be easier to paint
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 Posted 07/06/2012  05:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrcruise to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Make sense trout - mint a few thousand coins, iron out any die issues then mint the proof coins
Good observation
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 Posted 07/06/2012  06:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RAD change to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent find penny dreadful

Commemorative 50's seem scarce as hen's teeth in country WA where I've been visiting never mind finding an incused!

Keep up the good luck
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trout1105: with you.

I will need to find out a little on
pad printing techniques,
and if an incuse surface is needed with pad printing.
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Sel,
I have just bought a proof 2000 set so that I can inspect the 50 cent coin up close.
I want the coin for my collection anyway but it will be interesting to see if the coin is incused to accept the pad printing.
The incuse coin isn't an error in any way, It is a totally different design on the die.
I have always wondered WHY
I know nothing about the pad printing process so it will be interesting to read your findings.
It would be even nicer if someone at the mint could explain why the incuse was minted
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 Posted 07/06/2012  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrcruise to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mcdonalds has a good pic of a counterfeit proof coin with pad printeing removed
From the picture I would say the the entire pad printed area is flat hence the incused die cannot have been used after all
Refer pg 137 in 2011 guide
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I agree with mr cruise,
The proof is flat.
I think the idea that the incuse flag might be easier to colour (eg paint) makes sense though.
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 Posted 07/06/2012  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add penny dreadful to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I think the idea that the incuse flag might be easier to colour (eg paint) makes sense though.


Perhaps the mint started off with the idea to use the incused die as the base for the colored edition, and sometime in the run went against the idea, and put the incused ones out into circulation, hoping that no-one'd notice it... I mean, they'd not let a die go to waste, surely?

Then again, the actual die for the pad version is different again in design -wonder how it fits in the scheme of things - we need someone from inside to sort out how they all came about.....

Whatever, they are a nice variety to look out for. Rare, but not impossible to find!!

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