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Specimen/Pattern/Trial Values

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Hi Guys,
Can someone please explain to me why, coins listed as SPECIMENS/TRIALS/PATTERNS in the Rennicks Guide have only one price in the Specimen column? Does this mean that regardless of grade, they are still worth the same ? Or does it mean that its only been sighted in one grade?
Surely, if an auctionhouse had for example, 2 x 34/35 Centennary Florins, one in FDC and one in EF, the price would be different ?

Many thanks
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 Posted 07/09/2012  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
banknotelover

Specimens/trials/patterns by definition weren't released for circulation therefore it is assumed that they are uncirculated in the guides.
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banknotelover: Welcome to the CCF!

Specimens, trials, proofs, patterns and NCLT Mint products were never meant to circulate, and in the first four cases, are rare or are very rare. Consequently, they do not experience wear, and so a value for grade cannot be established. Some of the vary rare pieces rarely or never, come up for auction, and so it is difficult to establish a market value for them.

Greg McDonald, who has written a very good catalogue on Australian coinage and banknotes, does a lot of serious research based on auction results to give value for grade in his listings. If there are no auction results on very rare items, the pricing of same must, by necessity, become a guesstimate only.
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Thank you guys for the welcome and thank you for two both very excellent answers to my question, very much appreciated !
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to ccf and also some of those trials or specimens have only one examples or very few in which the grades of those coins are comparable.
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Hi banknotelover, to CCF!
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As far as proofs go, you will find the grades are generally for the highest grades e.g FDC/Ch UNC.

But many proofs will be found in EF condition, aUNC condition, where the proof has not been stored well. There may be scratches or environmental damage evident. Have a look on ebay & you might find some not so great pre-decimal proofs. I purchased a Florin a while back from Downies which wasn't stored the best. I think I picked it up from Auction for around $150, where the CV was $600. I later sold it online for just short of what I paid for it.

In cases of proofs, I'd be demanding the highest quality images so you can put your spiel on how good you think it is based on how good it should be in FDC.
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99% of pre-decimal proofs are not in perfect condition, Rennicks and Greg McDonald list prices for the other 1%. Impaired proofs are usually worth small fractions of the prices of perfect proofs.
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1966 proof sets are a perfect example of extremes in quality and prices
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To your question, sometimes 'test' coins are produced. A government official or minister may request a small number of coins so that a decision can be made. Some of these can also be 'mistakes' like when a foreign planchet is mixed in at the supplier, or a mint worker does an experiment.

It is because there are so few minted (usually only one, or maybe a small number like six or fifteen) and very small mintage means it is highly probable that same dies were used, therefore it is highly probable that they are of the same type (specimen, proof etc.) Hence only one column...
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