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 Posted 07/09/2012  2:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add valdiman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So here it is.Diameter roughly 25x18 mm.Lead.Quite thick.Still in restoration process.All brown areas is sand-soaking in olive oil.Actually is very high relief-not visible very well on pictures.Punched through causing little damage on the other side.So-what do you see?.Norman?Viking?Gallic?Celtic?King Arthur?Any thoughts appreciated.


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 Posted 07/09/2012  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 07/09/2012  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
About the only thing I can make out is what looks like a double-headed ax on the one side. It doesn't look Ancient, more likely medieval. So that is the extent of what I might be able to say about this.
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 Posted 07/09/2012  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valdiman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First two pics-plenty of possibilities.Could be half moon with rays.Could be swallow.Could be monogram of W.
Next three-what I see is crowned head.Very primitive crown.Head facing right.Beard.Strong neck lines.
What is puzzling me-I can not find any similar designs.If it is medieval-got to be very early.Very crude design.I would be guessing VII-IX century but is pure guess.
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 Posted 07/09/2012  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm? ... I'm horrible at that part of the ancient-game ...

It must be a bit like those Rorschack tests?

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 Posted 07/10/2012  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valdiman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mystery solved.I send pics to guy specializing in early and medieval coinage.Here is the answer:

Dear Sir, Thank you for your enquiry. This item is not a coin but a
privately made 'token'. They range in date from about 13th century through
to Tudor/Stuart times in lead and pewter. This is one of the earlier types,
perhaps 15th-17th century and, as usual, it shows a crude design that, in
this case looks to be a monogram of the initials EB (with E backwards) to
one side and a crude letter W to the other. I think I have seen this type
before. Although they are interesting, very little is known about the
circumstances under which they were made or who issued them. Some might
very well have been used as piecework tallies (similar to the 18th/19th
century Hop picking and alike tokens); they could also have served as a
crude form of small change on a local basis. They are generally common and
have negligible commercial value. Regards, Chris Wren


Thanks again ChrisAt least I was right with monogram W
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 Posted 07/10/2012  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love it when a mystery is solved. Too bad we don't know much more about these tokens. Could have some rich history that has been forgotten, much like sayings. My father would have been 104 this year and some of his sayings would either be funny or unintelligible today. Same for your token. At some point there was a need/understanding, but we've lost whatever it was. It may "have negligible commercial value", but historically is another matter.

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 Posted 07/10/2012  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I learn something new everyday, glad you where able to find out what this piece is.
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 Posted 07/10/2012  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valdiman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going to keep it regardless of value.I just like it the way it is
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