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Maybe someday I'll be able to answer a question, but in the meantime...

I've acquired a 1890-CC Morgan. I have 5 days left in my return window, and in looking at the mintmark I'm wondering...

The CC isn't even. The first C is riding higher than the second.

The scan isn't the greatest, but it will give an idea of what I'm talking about.

Opinions wanted.



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 Posted 02/27/2007  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalk64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have had quite a few Carson City Morgan dollars in my lifetime and have seen some very poor mint marks! Back then they were punched into the die so they did and do vary greatly from die to die. I am sure there will be someone here who can give you a much better idea concerning the authenticity of your coin. If nothing else get the coin weighed. That seperates most counterfeits from the classic original coins.
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 Posted 02/27/2007  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Becky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is exactly the way the CC should look on a VAM 4. That is a Top 100 Tail Bar. Great coin, wish it was mine!!
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In addition to someday perhaps being able to answer a question, there remains the possibility that someday I'll read the posts in some of the other categories before I post myself...



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Knowing myself, I imagine I'm going to regret the following question...


In general, what is meant by VAM and can you point me in the direction to get details?
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Fruit coin!



As a rough estimate, that coin is worth at least a two-grade jump in price, more in lower grades - it's one of the most famous, and most desirable, Morgan VAM's. It's a keeper.
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VAM stands for Van Allen and Mallis- two guys who catalogued the many many different Morgan die varieties out there. There's a nice little book called "The VAM Keys", and it has pictures and price guides for the most popular varieties. Unless you're totally smitten by VAMs, this book should do. There's a much larger unabridged version, but it's probably more information than a VAM beginner needs. That and it's heavy enough to make a good doorstop... Check your local coin shop- if they don't have it they might be able to order it for you.

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quote:
In general, what is meant by VAM and can you point me in the direction to get details?


VAM's are the varieties of Morgan dollars, as catalogued by Van Allen and Mallis. They identified every variety they could, and the process is still ongoing with Leroy Van Allen (Mr. Mallis has passed away) still certifying new VAM's every day. There are over 4,000 VAM's now, covering every single Morgan ever minted.

Some VAM's are worth very large premiums over "regular" coins of the same date/mintmark. You have one of those VAM's. Look here:

http://vamworld.wikispaces.com/1890-CC+VAM-4

Last month, two ANACS XF45 1890-CC Morgans sold at Heritage, on the same night. The "regular" one went for $126.50. The VAM-4 went for $373.75. See what I mean?
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Let's start with VAM. It is an acronym for 2 men, Van Allen & Mallis. They wrote a book about Morgan and Peace die marriages. Every dollar is a VAM, just some of them are really cool.

That bar that is running from the arrows to the wreath on your Morgan is a die gouge. A really neat, big die gouge.

Start with http://vamworld.wikispaces.com/Morg...By+Date then sneak over to Ashmore.com and check out the pictures for the updates. Then let me know and I'll give you some more to check out.
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Good grief, I'm slow
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Before I go much further...

How deep is the rabbit hole?
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There is no bottom......
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If you get stuck, we'll send down a ferret
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At some forums, collectors with newbie questions get ignored or ridiculed. Here, we bury them in rabbit holes, covered by cubic feet of information.
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Mathman, great coin.

Becky and Superdave, you folks are tremendous. Most people can just read this forum and learn "cubic tons" of info without ever posting. Just wanted to thank you guys for the willingness to help everyone at any time. Not hijacking the thread, just needed to say it....
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