Septimius Severus, Eastern Imp, Trophy And Arms Types

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maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 07/15/2012 5:50 pm There are not too many of us who specialise in the Eastern denarii of Septimius Severus. I have just added a Trophy and arms coin to my eastern Septimius Severus IMP types and thought it worth sharing the collection of these types thus far. There are two types of trophy and arms types for these Eastern IMP issues, the usual "Trophy with arms below" and the "Trophy with arms below, dejected captive seated beneath, shield on knees". These are all generally scarce to rare. I will start with the IMP II issue:- Obv:-- L SEPT SEV PERET AVG IMP - II, Laureate head right Rev:-- INVICTO IMPER, Trophy with arms below Minted in Laodicea-ad-Mare, A.D. 194-5 References:-- RIC -. BMCRE-. RSC-. Ex - Barry Murphy Obv:-- L SEPT SEV PERET AVG IMP - II, Laureate head right Rev:-- INVICTO IMP, Trophy with arms below, dejected captive seated beneath, shield on knees Minted in Laodicea-ad-Mare, A.D. 194-5 References:-- RIC - Obv:-- L SEPT SEV PERT AVG IMP VIII, Laureate head right Rev:-- INVICTO IMP, Trophy with arms below Minted in Laodicea-ad-Mare, A.D. 196 -- 197 References:-- RIC -. BMCRE-. RSC-. Obv:-- L SEPT SEV PERT AVG IMP VIII, Laureate head right Rev:-- INVICT IMP, Trophy with arms below, dejected captive seated beneath, shield on knees Minted in Laodicea ad Mare, A.D. 196 -- 197 References:-- RIC -, RSC -, BMCRE - Regards, Martin Edited by maridvnvm 07/15/2012 5:51 pm Report this Post to the Staff

jessvc1 Pillar of the Community United States 2596 Posts	Posted 07/15/2012 5:52 pm Nice coins I like these reverse types Report this Post to the Staff
echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 07/15/2012 6:00 pm Nice coin, I don't have any of this type yet. Report this Post to the Staff
Bing Pillar of the Community United States 4253 Posts	Posted 07/15/2012 6:07 pm Nice coins and very desirable besides being rare. I'm unsure what you mean by "Eastern Mint". Emesa? I have a S. Severus with the trophy reverse, but it is from the Rome mint and not near as scarce. Again, very nice coins, and thanks for sharing them. It's always great to see nice coins. Report this Post to the Staff
maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 07/15/2012 6:12 pm The above coins come from the IMP eastern mint issues. We really don't know where the mint was. RIC makes a stab at Laodicea-ad-Mare for these IMP issues but it is little more than guesswork. I also have many examples of the type for Emesa and the COS II issue of this type in relatively common. Here are a couple of my nice ones:- Obv:-- IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG, Laureate head right Rev:-- INVICTO IMP TROPAEA, Trophy with captured arms below Minted in Emesa, Late A.D. 193 References:-- RIC 356, RSC 233, BMCRE W335. Obv:-- IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG COS II, Laureate head right Rev:-- INVICTO IMP, Trophy with captured arms below Minted in Emesa, A.D. 194 -- 195 References:-- RIC 389 (Scarce), RSC 232 Regards, Martin Edited by maridvnvm 07/15/2012 6:14 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Gil-galad Pillar of the Community United States 2044 Posts	Posted 07/15/2012 6:32 pm Very nice coins indeed. I don't know much about this emperor's coins as of yet because I haven't gotten around to purchase one yet. Although, I think those reverse types to be somewhat rare or uncommon? Septimius Severus is another emperor I do not have. Report this Post to the Staff
Doucet Pillar of the Community United States 1315 Posts	Posted 07/15/2012 7:10 pm Wonderful coins, and it's great to see a specialty post like this. I believe Dougsmit specializes in Septimius Severus as well. I'm beginning to look for a specialty now, but do not know what it is yet. Report this Post to the Staff
dougsmit Pillar of the Community United States 1549 Posts	Posted 07/15/2012 7:37 pm Quote: There are not too many of us who specialise in the Eastern denarii of Septimius Severus. There are too many people who collect them. I wonder if I had been quiet on the subject how many more coins I might have gotten. I know several dealers that I taught how to recognize Alexandria mint coins and some repaid me by raising prices as if they were special. While I have a lot of Eastern Severans (maybe 500?) I have few IMP coins and only one trophy with IMP dating: Of course I do have this one (Alexandria not Laodicea) which was shown in my favorite coin posting so I won't bother repeating why I like it despite its condition. The late Roger Bickford-Smith told me it was the coin I owned he most wanted to own. I'm glad I did not give it to him since the people who disbursed his estate might have destroyed it as junk. I'm still looking for another. Do you have it? How many? While it has nothing to do with the reverse, I consider this coin of the reverse type special because I believe (can not prove) that this is what you would get if this coin stuck in the revers die and was used to strike the next coin which would be what we call a brockage. People collect brockages but no one wants a coin flattenen by having been used to create a brockage. Maybe? Report this Post to the Staff
maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 07/16/2012 06:35 am Doug, Three wonderful coins, each with something special about them. The Alexandrian trophy is one I have only seen in your example and is one I always have an eye open for. Your IMP - II, INVICTO IMPE is the first I have seen. I know of 5 examples of INVICTO IMPER but that is a new one on me. Your third combines a TROPAEA reverse with the rare AVG II C obverse die. Add this to your thoughts about a potential brockage overstrike and it is a really interesting coin. Thanks for sharing them. All three are now on my wish list.... Regards, Martin Report this Post to the Staff
dougsmit Pillar of the Community United States 1549 Posts	Posted 07/16/2012 08:43 am Note that the IIC die is not the common one with the broken V. How many IIC dies were there? Report this Post to the Staff
maridvnvm Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2100 Posts	Posted 07/16/2012 10:23 am Doug, I am aware of three AVG II C obverse dies:- The broken V:- The one that matches yours, illustrated below with an odd mix of a FORTVAE legend with a Moneta/Aequitas reverse:- and one with a thin C at the end, illustrated here with a peculiar BONETAE error for MONETAE:- Regards, Martin Report this Post to the Staff
dougsmit Pillar of the Community United States 1549 Posts	Posted 07/16/2012 10:46 am Someday someone will explain my observation that there are common obverse dies and scarce obverse dies in most series. The scare ones are more likely to have the oddball legends or reverses. Most IIC you see are broken V but there are oddballs even with that die. The 193 obverse coins for Septimius and Domna are most commonly one obverse die each but there are a few others. There is an explanation here but I don't have it yet. Report this Post to the Staff
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