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Non-Token Exonumia *pics Appreciated!!*

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 Posted 07/17/2012  2:53 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinChick to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey all!
I'm interested in exonumia in general but I'm really interested in non-token exonumia. Things like wampum, plate money, cigarette money etc. So I have a few questions. Is there a word or subtype of exonumia for this?

What kinds of things exist out there? I've seen plate money, sycee, cigarette money and I've heard about wampum but never seen it.

If you collect I would really appreciate pictures!

Thanks!
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 Posted 07/17/2012  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome aboard, CoinChick! Given your expressed interest, you might consider changing your "handle" in CCF to something like ExoExoChick?

I seem to recall that, in ancient Egypt, a man could buy a wife for three goats. Indeed, I'd have swapped my Ex for but one goat. Then, I'd have given the creature to her; this, as she always managed to get my goat, anyway!

To get serious about your question, one medium of exonumia that's now quite pricey are "chits" made of heavy paper that were issued by sutlers and other Civil War era merchants. Given their small, rectangular make-up and low denominations of typically 1, 2 or 3 cents, their survival rate is low.

Another that comes to mind is the wooden money, primarily nickels, from the 1940-60's. Like the old chits, many were rectangular in shape. My guess is that the shortage of nickel, during WWII, suggested that medium which took off as an advertising, promotional item in the post war years and well beyond.

Perhaps, some others will chime in on this question ...
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 Posted 07/17/2012  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In Australia, Rum was used as currency.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum_corps, and go down to the part headed "The Corps and rum trafficking in NSW"
also, we still talk about The Rum Rebellion of 1808 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum_Rebellion

The following is another episode in the history of rum in Australia -
"Governor Macquarie's Rum Hospital
Upon his arrival in the Colony of New South Wales at the beginning of 1810, Governor Macquarie discovered that the Sydney Cove's hospital was an affair of tents and temporary buildings. Macquarie set aside land on the western edge of the Government Domain for a new hospital and created a new road -- Macquarie Street -- to provide access to it. Plans were drawn up but the British Government refused to provide funds to build the hospital. Consequently, Macquarie entered into a contract with a consortium of businessmen - Garnham Blaxcell, Alexander Riley and, later, D'Arcy Wentworth - to erect the new hospital. They were to receive convict labour and supplies and a monopoly on rum imports from which they expected to recoup the cost of the building and gain considerable profits. The contract allowed them to import 45,000 (later increased to 60,000) gallons of rum to sell to colonists and was signed on 6 November 1810. ..."
- lifted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Hospital

The two surviving wings of the Rum Hospital became the Sydney Mint, and the New South Wales Parliament.


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 Posted 07/17/2012  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The general term for things like wampum, feather currency, manilla rings, cowry shells, Rai stones, Katanga crosses and Kissi Pennies is "primitive money". That is, they were used by indigenous societies in Africa, the Americas and the Pacific region prior to Western contact.

Plate Money I would classify as "coins". They're inconveniently large, rectangular and heavy, but still coins.

I'm not aware of a generic name for things like sycees, cigarette money, tea bricks, salt sticks, postage currency and other non-coin non-banknote objects that have sometimes been used by modern Western societies as money. Perhaps "barter currency" would be a good term, since they combine aspects of both bartering and more "evolved" forms of money.

Alas, I don't collect anything like this, mainly out of space considerations rather than anything else. As a general rule of thumb for me, "if it doesn't fit in a 2x2, I don't want it".
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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 Posted 07/17/2012  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Quite interesting about the rum "money" what with the rum, in effect, serving medicinal purposes, eh what? Consequently, a flask would have then been the equivalent of a wallet, and the term "spent" then took on additional meaning! Rum collectors back then might have been called .... rumismatists!!
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 Posted 07/18/2012  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinChick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ExoGuy- Thank you for the warm welcome! It's kind of a funny story, I've been reading the forums on here for like a month and one day I had a question so I created an account. I had a hard time deciding what to make it because I'm a professional coin dealer and I LOVE paper currency. But, I also like exonumismatics and barter type money. So now that was thinking about what you said I came up with a new 'handle.' Am I going to have to create a new account to do it?

In fear (not really) of having it stolen, what do you guys think about 'Numismachick'?

I haven't seen a whole bunch of women on here. Is there any women you guys would say I 'have to meet'?

Peter-That's neat! Thank you so much for sharing that info!

Sap-Thanks for your input I appreciate it! I can understand the space thing completely
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 Posted 07/18/2012  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CoinChick ... That's an "EF" handle ... I'd vote to keep it. A coin chick by any other name is still a CoinChick!

Just spotted a neat example of a Civil War era "chit" that I mentioned, now for sale on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...t_600wt_1185

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 Posted 07/18/2012  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinChick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Haha! Thanks Exo. What part of the country are you in? What's your favorite piece of exonumia?

Thanks for the link. It's neat!
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 Posted 07/18/2012  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm in Tennessee, being a "relocated" Yankee.

Never much thought about a singular favorite though. The Civil War token series, Lincolniana, has been a favorite genre since I was a teen. The hook for me tends to be history, attaching some significance to the exonumia. The counterstamps, like my avatar, are a genuine challenge that I find most intriguing. Pretty, they're not. Many a collector has, at some time or another, muttered to himself/herself, "If only this coin could talk" ... tell where it's been, with whom, etc. Many a counterstamped coin does just that, if one follows the clues; shades of history mystery. From my humble perspective, the genre of counterstamped coins is one of the "final frontiers" of numismatics. I have hundreds of "favorites" and trying to pick just one would be tantamount to picking your favorite kid ... Any piece that I can find some history on will tend to be a favorite!





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 Posted 07/18/2012  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinChick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh nice! I went to the Memphis paper money show in June. It was a good time.

I've totally said to myself 'I wish this coin could talk.' It would be so cool to hear the stories! The counter stamps and Lincolnania stuff is really neat. I work with a guy that is really into the history part of collecting. I feel like the farther down the rabbit hole you go the farther you want to go. haha.

I honestly don't know much about counter stamps but now that I know the term for them it's time to go learn! :)



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 Posted 07/18/2012  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So now that was thinking about what you said I came up with a new 'handle.' Am I going to have to create a new account to do it?

In fear (not really) of having it stolen, what do you guys think about 'Numismachick'?

If you decide you want to change your username, you don't need to start all over again with a new account. Just send an e-mail to one of the admins or moderators, or click on the "Send note to staff" link in the corner of one of your posts, and explain what you want your username changed to.

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I haven't seen a whole bunch of women on here. Is there any women you guys would say I 'have to meet'?

Numismatics has always been a male-dominated hobby, especially in America (but apparently less so in places like Britain and New Zealand), so a large proportion of our membership is male; about half our members have not declared gender in their profile, but of those who have declared, the ratio is about 6:1. But we have two women "on staff": Susanlynn9 is one of the forum's co-founders and xshift is one of the moderators.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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 Posted 07/19/2012  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinChick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sap-Thank you for the info about changing my username. I'm thinking about it but I'm not sure yet.

I do know that numismatics is a very male dominated hobby, that's why I asked if there was anyone on here that I should meet. I really enjoy hearing other women's stories about the hobby/business.


Thanks!
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