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been playing around with some "old glass" and Telephoto lenses.. I have Bought a 60-300MM Vivitar lens for non coin use, even though it has the Macro function...the lens is said to be too long for real close up work...
So I had this hair brain idea of placing an enlarging lens
Directly in front of it....The results are amazing..in the fact that this 60-300mm lens focuses withing 3 to 8 inches
or so, and the quality is quite good for the little money
spent...My point is...IS the lens acting like an extention
tube? even though its a long lens meant for
something else?
I would post pic's but my main computer just died so I will have to reload all the camera software to retake and post them
until then...what do you think of the potential out come?
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The pics will tell the tale. I look forward to seeing them. I use an extension tube and am satisfied with the way it works. Don't have a macro lens so the tube does it.
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Yes, the lens is doing the same thing optically as an extension tube would. It'll be limited because you're handholding it, but it's a pretty good illustration of the fact that "acceptable" solutions don't have to cost a bunch of money.
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I believe the enlarging lens here is acting as an accessory close up lens but since it is made of several elements the quality is higher than you would get with those one element cheap close up sets. Before I bought my first dSLR, I used a Minolta point and shoot with an old copier lens as an accessory and was quite happy with the results.
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I might warn that you need to watch how heavy a lens you hang on the front of a weakly made zoome (like the ones that come with beginner kits) but a 300mm lens might be big and strong enough to support itself. When I got a camera with removeable lens, I switched to extension tubes which accomplish the same thing without straining the moving parts of the lens.
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This arrangement is called a "stacked lens". A similar arrangement is used in many microscopes, with a fixed-length telephoto (usually 200mm) and the microscope objective acting as stacked lenses. There are even a few microscopes (the Bausch & Lomb MonoZoom-7 comes to mind...) that use a zoom lens with microscope objective to allow variable magnification. This is what you have created with your arrangement, Gene.

The term used for the telephoto is "tube lens". The usual method is to set the tube lens to focus at infinity and to open its aperture all the way up so it does not vignette the image.

Magnification you can achieve is a simple calculation...

M = FL(tube lens) / FL(objective)

I'll assume you're using a 75mm enlarging lens. Then your 60-300 zoom will give you a magnification range of 0.8x to 4x.

A nice thing about stacked lenses is the objective sets the general quality of the image. Use a good enlarging lens as the objective, and pretty much any zoom or fixed telephoto will give you a good image.

Another nice thing is these arrangements can be parfocal versus magnification. The working distance is set by the FL of the objective, not the overall magnification. The tube lens just acts as a variable multiplier of the image created by the objective. The system is completely parfocal as long as you focus the tube lens at infinity.

Google "stacked lens" or "infinity corrected lens" for more info on this
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