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Spanish Coin? Found 15 Years Ago Near 1715 Fleet In Florida

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 Posted 07/25/2012  10:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add villageguy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,

I apologize in advance for the photos. This coin came from an area on the beach in Florida after a storm where I found Spanish coins from the 1715 Fleet the same day. Doesn't look like anything I've ever seen. Doesn't look like a maravedi. It's about 16 mm across and weighs 1.7 grams. Appears to be copper. Can anyone identify the coin or the country?

Thanks,
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 Posted 07/26/2012  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello and welcome.

Unfortunately, our news for you is not good. Your coin is a rather odd "mule" replica of two different ancient Judaean coins, both of which could be classifiable as "Widow's Mites".

The top pic, with an anchor on it, is taken from the "typical" Widow's mite, the prutah of Alexander Jannaeus (c.80 BC). Wildwinds shows a bunch of them.

The bottom pic is derived from the Roman Provincial prutah of emperor Tiberius, dating from about the time of the Prefecturate of Pontius Pilate, roughly 33 AD: a simpulum, or Roman pouring-ladle. Wildwinds example.

I call it a "replica" because it's physically impossible for a genuine coin to have been struck using two different dies originally used on coins over a hundred years apart. Whoever made it seems to have gotten their fake coin dies mixed up. Perhaps they mis-took the wheat-sheaf that's supposed to be on the back of the Roman-era coin for an anchor.

I suppose the important question now is, what's a fake Widow's Mite doing buried on the beach, and does it create doubt as to the authenticity of your Spanish coins? If they were found sort-of all together, they may have been a bunch of fake coins that somebody buried as a "pirate treasure hunt" that were never found.
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 Posted 07/26/2012  01:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please post your spanish finds. I too have many coins from the 1715 wrecks found off Colored Beach, Vero Beach and Rio Mar. Like Bob "Frogfoot" Weller alway said.."we'll never find it all".
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 Posted 07/27/2012  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add villageguy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the replies. They have been a lot of help. I'm still wondering if the anchor symbol may have been used on these type coins for a wider time period which might possibly make the coin not a fake.
On another note, the other coins(cobs) in question appear to be the reale deal so to speak. Here is one. It weighs about 27 grams.
Thanks all for your help. Learned a lot about mites.
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Nice 8, good find. At that weight I am guessing it didn't spend too much time in the water but rather got washed or brought up on shore. A coin to be treasured.
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