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08/14/2012 11:54 am
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Wow, what a great story!!
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Mr. Fowler's 1921 is still suspicious, and has been left in the wild.
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Yes but no other 1921 50 cents are known in Fine, Very fine condition (ICCS population report) so this should put a HUGE spotlight on it if ever it comes up for sale. It would be much worse if it was graded in good to very good condition. Then again the condition can be altered to be lowered not up graded!!
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08/14/2012 12:35 pm
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Is there a definitive list of the 1921s and their conditions?
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Not that I know of!! But based on what we do have those are the numbers. But that could be all wrong. We can only go on what we do have the ICCS, PCGS reports and dealer knowledge.
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08/14/2012 12:39 pm
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What a crock of crap! I only got part way through the story and got tired of the author's lack of research,half truths and outright fabrications. Here's a more accurate account of the origin of these 1921 fakes. |
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I had never encountered doctored coins before. While holding no true numismatic interest I was curious about this offence. In particular my curiosity centred upon how the doctoring was done, and why the higher level of interest shown in these particular type of coinage. As there was a request for some investigation in Winnipeg, I volunteered and was given the assignment.
@DBM: It isn't a numismatic story about the origins of 1921 fakes. It is supposed to be a reflection of an on-the-job experience by a RCMP officer concerning 1921 fakes. Is that a crock of crap? If not, the mistakes ARE the interesting part. The lack of knowledge and research could have been repeated many times in RCMP investigations. Not interesting? A likely fake was allowed to remain in the wild, and it is probably out there now as a genuine. Is that a crock of crap? Thanks for the new link too. :) Edited by dialog_gvf
08/16/2012 12:54 pm
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Just wanted people to have a fun read!!
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Dcadon: That is a 25 cent piece not the King of king of Canadian coins...the 1921 50 cent piece. I think in the last 5 years I have seen only 1 50 cent piece dated 1921 on ebay it was a piece that was cleaned as stated on the slab in resided in. It has been almost 3 years since I have seen one at all in a auction. Edited by 1921
08/17/2012 4:40 pm
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funny... just got a bit over excited...
first I went to "coins - Canada" then to "50 Cents" then typed in 1921 - and only this one coin popped up. Laughable yes. Sorry.
Coins & Paper Money > Coins: Canada > Fifty Cents
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08/17/2012 5:50 pm
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Interesting read... maybe this fake is out there but I wonder what would happen if he tried to get it graded. Those firms would not subject the coins to a test that would damage it and they would not be able to tell it was doctored without doing so.
If then it got into a slab and he sold it with "no garuntee it was genuine" then surely there would have been no criminal offence.
An interesting read none-the-less.
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DavidUK:
The thing is ''most'' people are aware of the 1921's that come up for sale. I have never seen one above VG-10 come up at Torex in the last 10 years. There was only 1 in mint state graded by ICCS as MS-65 that was offered in February of 2010 it did not sell...but was told it sold in May of 2010 to a private collector. Like I said I follow the 21 half a LOT so I can say there is very little chance that a copy in Fine or Very Fine would ''EVER'' show up for sale.
Heritage auctions in the last 10 years have sold 1 in PCGS MS-64, 1 in PCGS MS-65 (the very same coin now graded by ICCS as MS-65 that sold in 2010 to a private collector), 1 PCGS MS-65 that is now graded as a ICCS MS-66/PCGS MS-66. The only other mint state to sell was about 12 years ago it was the very highest known and graded PCGS MS-67 that now resides in a permanent collection and will most likely be donated to the Ottawa currency museum once that collector passes away.
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08/17/2012 9:53 pm
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The population is small enough that you wouldn't expect more than one available every few years, at most, right? But, it seems what you're saying is that all the 'recent' auction activity is in the high grades. The low grades (which there are 20 or so in ICCS flips) have not. Why are the high-end flipping and the low-end remaining closely held? Quote:
The only other mint state to sell was about 12 years ago it was the very highest known and graded PCGS MS-67 that now resides in a permanent collection and will most likely be donated to the Ottawa currency museum once that collector passes away.
If that turns out to be true, the entire community will have cause for a moment of silence in tribute. It would most likely fall into foreign hands if it were auctioned. |
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