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Sae: Proof Vs. Uncirculated Vs. Bullion

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What is the difference in these when investing and how do they retain their premiums. After reading the U.S. Mint site and the forum this newbie's head is spinning. I have seen some even say there is no difference in a regular SAE and a round.
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 Posted 08/14/2012  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hotshotschamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect both...

However I prefer paying 2.50 less for a buffalo round then say an ASE...

I don't just collect any ole rounds...which is fine too.....but I stick with more known rounds like Buffalos or Prospectors etc...
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The regular ASE's are pure bullion with a slight premium, which you will get a portion back when you sell. They are making at least 30 million a year now. The Proofs and Burnished Unc (W mint mark) are purely collector coins and will always retain a value above bullion as they make less than 1 million a year of each of those. They will also appreciate when bullion values rise.

Forgot to mention I do not buy rounds, only ASE's for 1 ounce .999. Dealers tend to buy rounds below spot price when you go to sell and it varies from dealer to dealer how much below you will get.
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Please note that dealers are having trouble selling proofs in today's market because interest in numismatic value is declining.

As a result, your trade-in or resale value for proof ASE's is going to be much lower by percentage than bullion ASE.
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Here's my take, for what it's worth.

The American Silver Eagle is minted and guaranteed by the US government. For this reason alone, ASE's will retain a small premium over all but the rarest private mint silver rounds.

The largest bullion dealers typically purchase their ASE's from the US Mint in what are called "monster boxes." Each monster box contains 25 mint tubes. Each mint tube contains 20 ASE's. The coins are brand new and are commonly marketed with the designation "brilliant uncirculated." When you buy these coins, you're buying silver bullion, plain and simple.

The US Mint also sells proof and uncirculated versions of ASE coins directly to both companies and individuals. These coins go through a unique minting process and arrive with a certificate of authenticity and in special US Mint packaging. This process creates a uniquely beautiful coin with a numismatic value above and beyond the simple intrinsic value of the silver it contains. If you chose to collect these coins, it is essential that the coin, all special packaging, and the COA be retained to preserve this additional numismatic value.

Depending on your buying objectives, both ordinary "brilliant uncirculated" ASE's and US Mint "proof" ASE's have their merits. Since one of my silver stacking objectives is wealth preservation, I prefer to buy the bulk of my silver in the form of brilliant uncirculated ASE's at the lowest possible cost. Now, since my other objective is coin collecting, I may also buy a proof ASE or two for a given year. However, since the premium on proof coins is substantially higher, my proof purchases will never approach my bulk BU ASE purchases. But this is just how I choose to buy my ASE's. There are other collectors/investors out there who will only buy proof coins for their collections. There's no right or wrong. It's just whatever works for you.

Ultimately, it all comes down to discovering your own buying objective(s) and developing a purchasing plan to get you there.
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Yes, government mints do produce a very nice product and the specifications for those coins is guaranteed by those governments. This gives the buyer some assurance that they are, in fact, getting what they are paying for. Of course, there has been some counterfeiting of these coins as well, so either buy from a very reputable source or check the coins carefully for weight, size, magnetism, and quality (compared to a known Maple or ASE, for example).

Rounds are also sold as 1 Troy oz. of .999 silver, so have the same bullion value as do ASEs, Maples, and all other "official" mint 1-oz. silver coins. It is the assurance of quality and purity plus their ease of recognition that results in their premium. I don't worry a lot about the premium unless it is just plain silly. Premiums get that way sometimes and when they do I either just stop buying or look for a lower premium alternative.

Sometimes, a silver coin will cost more than the silver it contains plus the usual premium. This is usually due to being in very fine or better condition or being somewhat rare. Morgan silver dollars fit this category for many collectors, so even though a nice Morgan dollar only contains about 3/4 of an oz. of silver, it can still sell for $40 or more. Some of the Carson City mint Morgans can sell for hundreds of dollars, if sufficiently rare and in really superior condition.
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