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Edge Details For Potosi 1814 8 Reales

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 Posted 08/18/2012  10:48 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add revere456 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have been trying to find information on a Ferdinand VII 1814 Potosi 8 Reales coin which I recently bought. There is alot of talk about edge details. Is it correct to say, if they're are overlapping edge details (on opposite parts of the edge) then the coin is a forgery? The weight of the coin is 26.9g. Please see pictures. Any help would be greatly appreciated, Swamperbob you seem to be the expert. There seems to be two overlaps of the circle rectangle edge detail on opposing sides of the the edge.

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 Posted 08/18/2012  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add revere456 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a dot of raised metal under the R of FERDIN which is a bit dodgy also

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Hello Revere456 and welcome to the wonderful world of Spanish Colonial 8 Reales. As to your question regarding edges, per our resident counterfeit Guru Swamperbob, there should be overlaps 180 degrees opposite each other because the coins should have been edged with a dual bar edger.
On your coin posted, I am concerned about the texture of the coin itself. It appears in the photos to be very "mushy" and granular which can be evidence of a cast coin or a die made from molding where the sharpness of a strike is lost in the process. I lack the ability to make definitive judgements from a photo but just wanted to express my humble opinion. I am not very familiar with Potosi coins, my area of expertise is Mo mint coins and I know strike characteristics vary from mint to mint.
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Thanks for the welcome and info, it's such a great site. I know very little about these type of coins also. Its good to hear that it is supposed to have the overlaps, because it definitely does have those at exactly 180 degrees from each other. As regards the "mushyness" or lack of clarity, this may be due to the photo taken and how I resized it in paint. Please find attached some pics from different angle. I bought this in Bolivia and I generally assume that everything will be fake. The seller had another FERNINAND 8 reales two years newer which was smaller in diameter but similar weight 26.9g, it was in such a good condition that I didn't trust it, it had what looked like fine grease or oil in the recessed of the coin, which I have seen in good condition victorian coins of a similar age. Does anyoe know what I should have paid for the coin posted?

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 Posted 09/01/2012  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Is it correct to say, if they're are overlapping edge details (on opposite parts of the edge) then the coin is a forgery?


I don't think I am a senior coin collector (from 2004;I try to give you my opinion of this coin; I also hope who have the experience on this coin can also tell here for us.

I remember I read a thread about the edge problems of those Spanish-North Americal 8R that was explained by swarmperbob. He said in that topic (not remembered): All edges have 2 overlaps (by fixed and movable dies), one overlap is a counterfeit unless damage or wear prevents identification of the opposite lap. The application method precludes anything else....

First, I can't see any problem with your coin. I will show you my coin of 1818 and it also has two opposite overlaps. I have measure the S.G. of this coin and find it 10.335 that corresponding to 91.85% Ag (close to the target value 89.6%). Now I am quite confident my coin is real.

Other specifications of my coin:
39.2-40.1mm (not perfectly circular)
26.87 grams
Bought at ebay by US155.0 a few years ago.

The two edge overlaps are at G"R"ATIA and FERDI"N"of observe corresponding positions.



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