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Pillar of the Community
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I am so sick of this. I just tweeted, Facebooked and emailed the listings to the Department of Treasury and ensured them they would hear from everyday via twitter and FB until I get a phone call and someone ensures me this is followed up on. I have nothing but time in my day and I sit at a CPU so *** Edited by Staff - We're Family Friendly Remember? ***
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Also--look at the star's proximity to the bust--are any real 1809 LCs that close? Good point, I didn't pay attention to the obverse once the reverse showed it was fake. The lower left star (star 1) only comes that close to the bust on 1814 S-293 and the upper left star (star 7) is right next to the hair above the head band. NO classic head cent has the star that close or that high up. I would also say the stars are a little too large as well. Currently at $667 with 19 min left. Someone is going to get burned bad. Edited by Conder101
08/21/2012 11:58 am
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Pillar of the Community
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I reported these yesterday, but it looks like the auctions, 1811 & 1809, will run to completion. The simple similarity in appearance of these two "coins" should have set off alarms. Assuming that the "winners" of these lots somehow learn that they've been burned, will ebay tell them that there were warnings before the auctions closed? Hmmm ... |
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This guy suckered my into two buys as well.. an 1832 Med Ltrs and a 1909-S Lincoln. They are on their way back as we type. I reported him to ebay. Most if not all of his coppers are fakes. I really don't think he knows it though. I've talk to him on the phone and he's an 84 year old fellow with some marbles missing. He told me his "source" guarantees all the coins to be genuine. His "source" is obviously using this guy as a method to get the coins into play. It's a shame on both ends... ebay really needs to yank his ability to sell. Paleoguy45 |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Most if not all of his coppers are fakes. I really don't think he knows it though. I'm just a little suspicious when the seller describes an obviously fake 1811 Half Cent as coming from an '85 year old man's collection'. Did anyone notice--the 1811 has been neg'd as a counterfeit in feedback? |
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I am very disturbed that these were allowed to complete; ebay normally acts faster than this, and it's the first time I can ever recall them failing to act on one of my reports. |
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United States
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I think ebay measures who they kick out and who they wont based on profit. Example, I have never sold a bloody thing on that site and last month I posted an .999 1 OZt Round that happened to be in the form of an 1889 CC Morgan. I CLEARLY stated in both the title and the description that this was investment bullion and a round for people to PLEASE not think this was an 1889 CC. Within 72 hours I had a notice that my coin was being removed from auction regardless of the bids on it because I was attempting to sell counterfeited US coinage. I bet had I had a successful selling history that they had profited on over the course of time that auction never gets pulled. I mean, why kick a family member to the street when you can make an example out of the new guy? |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I looked through his positive feed back for the past month and checked some of the copper. The 1828 large cent is a fake, he has sold an 1877 indian and an 1872 indian that both had the type II obv hub introduced in 1886 (The buyer of the 77 sent it back as a fake), and the 1818 large cent is a fake. The 1818 uses the same reverse die as the fake 1828.
I'm tempted to contact the buyers of the large cents and the 72 indian to let them know they've bought fakes. What do you think?
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Pillar of the Community
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Conder, yes contact them. This is ruining the hobby, and exactly what I meant when I posted a few days ago "Counterfeits selling hot on ebay." Sellers like this need to be prosecuted. Sad to say it, but I would suggest people to never buy raw online. |
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Conder ... In the past, I've done just that, contacted a few bidders. There have been mixed results from no response to gratitude. I didn't contact these bidders though, so "go for it" I say. Personally, I'd want to know if I'd been victimized; especially so, given the time factor to terminate the transaction. Drsandman2 ... I've bought hundreds of raw coins and exonumia items online and not as yet had a bad experience; this, but for one item that was lost in the mail and I was refunded. Your advice is certainly something that novice collectors should consider though, yet there are counterfeit coins, housed in counterfeit slabs, too. dsfreeworld ... IMHO, what ebay did with your "1889-CC" is inexcusable! This is especially true in light of all the fraud that their system virtually encourages. |
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United States
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1872 indian that both had the type II obv hub introduced in 1886 Good on ya for contacting the buyers--such an obvious fake from the '85 year old man'  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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OK warnings sent to all three and I will do so on the other fakes I spotted once they leave feedback. Now I guess I'll wait and see what kind of response I get.
Just spotted a fake 1869 indian with the hub of 1886 that he sold so I sent a message off to the buyer of that one as well.
So far my messages should result in $652 in refunds. If he has this much fake copper though, how much of his other stuff that I haven't checked is fake?
Did some more searching added a fake 1826 cent, another $153. He got caught on a fake 1823 cent returned for $453.
Hey the 1825 cent he sold has a different reverse die than all the others, still fake though. Another $80. Well maybe not. It is past the 45 day period for opening an action with paypal. Of course it is still illegal to sell counterfeits as genuine.
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08/23/2012 10:53 am
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Pillar of the Community
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I contacted the seller as well, and let him know he is peddling a lot of fakes whether he knows it or not. He told me to look at his feedback and that he always issues refunds if there is a problem.
Issuing refunds when you get caught is not the issue; it's selling the fakes in the first place.
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He told me to look at his feedback and That's why I only use feedback to reject a seller. I've seen people leave neutral or even positive feedback that clearly should have been negative. I don't think people realize that ebay changed the rules so that sellers can't leave retaliatory negative feedback. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Heard back from the buyer of the 1872 cent. He had already been told it was fake and returned it for a refund. Of course by then he had already left positive feedback. Oldskool, this persons feedback probably wouldn't have raised enough flags to reject him. Two fakes he refunded and one negative out of over 3000 transactions? Yet we've turned up close to a dozen fake coins being sold in the past month and a half and we have only looked at the copper. (I know a dealer can't leave a positive with a negative comment and a buyer can have such a comment removed. I don't know if a seller can have a positive with a negative comment removed. If he can then those seller leaving negative positives in fear of retaliation aren't helping because the seller would just have them removed and his feed back would look fine. Learned something new today. ebay won't let you sent more than five messages a day through their system, either originating or replies. So ther are probably o a lot of people who got stuck with his fakes over a month and a half ago that I won't be warning. |
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