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Whadaya think, folks? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1809-CLASSI...t_500wt_1203Interestingly, the same seller just sold an 1826 large cent that also looked like it originated in a Chinese mint. If the consensus here concurs with my opinion, then this one might be reported to ebay. |
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I'd say it is impossible to determine authenticity from those pictures.
What makes you think it's fake?
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Pillar of the Community
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Interestingly, the same seller just sold an 1826 large cent that also looked like it originated in a Chinese mint What makes you think so? |
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 The 1 in the date does look weird... |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Bad photos and no way to blow them up to get a good look. Jury is still out on this one.
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Take a look at the 1811 Half Cent that this seller also has posted. These coins have a similar look. They appear to have been cleaned and then "spotted" to look old. The die work on both pieces appears overly "exacting" to me, too perfect, if you will. The 1826 cent sold for just over $100. Had it been a genuine AU, the bids would've much higher. Also, the authenticity of that coin was questioned on the EAC website. Let's see what some of our copper specialists have to say ... |
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This is the same seller that paleoguy45 reported had sent him a fake LC in a private sale.
Edited by OldSkoolMadSkilz
08/20/2012 10:34 am
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The coin looks fake to me, but I am far from an expert on coppers.
I would be afraid to buy this unless he has a return policy.
That way if in hand it is a fake you can at least return the coin
for a refund.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Easy the prove it is a fake. Wrong reverse die. 1809 only has one die pair for the year and on the genuine one the point of the leaf below S2 is just right of the center of the S. On the ebay coin it's well right of the right edge of the S. The 1811 Half Cent is also a fake. Same problem, wrong reverse die for the year. Took a look at his completed sales, looked at the 1830 that he sold as a medium letters (N-6 an R-4 coin) and it is not a medium letter, not an N-6 and in fact is yet another fake. It has the POL below the center of S2. That means it has to be N-2, 5, or 9. Problem is all those varieties used the same reverse die and the other leaf positions on the ebay coin do not match the 2,4,9 die. I like his 1804 crosslet 4 with stems Half Cent. The description "FROM THE 85 YEAR OLD MAN. A RARE FIND. A 1804 DRAPED BUST Half Cent CROSSLET 4 WITH STEMS FULL VISABLE IMAGE . COIN HAS BEEN CLEANED NEEDS TO BE LEFT OUT TO DARKEN. A GREAT COLLECTIBLE" look carefully at the picture of the reverse above the denomination.  Edited by Conder101
08/20/2012 11:01 am
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Let's see how long it takes for them to go away this time.  |
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11 bids so far. From lousy photo too. AND no returns.
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A lot looked off to me too--and we got some very detailed reasons here.  Why people would bid $260 on such a dodgy/poor coin is beyond me.  It's also pure profit--this will only get worse, so collectors need to be better educated. Edited by DVCollector
08/20/2012 2:58 pm
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Even if it were real, it's in terrible shape--why are bids so high? The Classic Head large cents are scarce and very expensive in high grades. This apparent fake looks maybe EF in terms of detail and in that grade a real one would be worth hundreds even with a cleaning problem. Thanks Condor for the detailed explanation of the diagnostics. Excellent information! |
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Jaobler, I do get the value (if real) aspect--I'm just surprised people skip due diligence before bidding. Really, if people don't know what they're buying, they'll get taken constantly.  Also--look at the star's proximity to the bust--are any real 1809 LCs that close? Edited by DVCollector
08/20/2012 5:00 pm
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These are both real condition rarities in the grade, even "cleaned." And anyone who's ever dipped copper would recognize that look - it's precisely what copper looks like after meeting thiourea.
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Thanks, Condor, for the die study info. Many of the Chinese counterfeits have a similar look to them, and that's simply what resulted in my posting. The impossible die pairings that you've noted confirm my suspicion.
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Posted 08/20/2012 08:43 am
