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For Investing Graded Or Ungraded?

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 Posted 08/24/2012  10:19 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add starbuxinvestor to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
If you were going to trying to build an investment grade portfolio would you purchase graded or ungraded notes? Not asking where you would get the largest potential bargain but how you would build an investment grade collection.
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 Posted 08/24/2012  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First learn to grade for yourself before investing heavy in any coins. For investment you will be looking for the best return and easiest resale. Certified coins will work best for that. Once you've learned to grade, you'll be able to cherry pick graded coins in older slabs that can now be resubmitted for a higher grade. Grading has changed over the last 20 years. For investing, pick rarity, quality and eye appeal. Avoid anything with problems (cleaned, scratched, discolored, pitted, etc.).
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 Posted 08/24/2012  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add starbuxinvestor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent advice but does it change any with paper money instead of coins?
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 Posted 08/24/2012  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add James4444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Same rules apply to Paper MOney as well ...

Avoid "doctored" notes, and buy notes which have been certified by "reputed" TPG (i.e. PMG, PCGS)


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 Posted 08/24/2012  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you are trying to get a return on your money you will really need to buy right. Paying market value for notes won't return a profit for a long time, if ever. But if you are careful you can purchase under market value, you just have to be patient. You really need to do your homework (as I see has been said already) as that knowledge is really your line of defense.

When it comes to errors I want graded so it has passed scrutiny prior to my purchasing it since many fake errors are out there. As for the rest, either graded or ungraded. People here say buying graded is a waste of money, and that is true if you are paying market or more. Deals can be had if you look hard enough.

It's all about homework and patience.
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 Posted 08/24/2012  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Bill Collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would bet that IndianGoldEagle is more of a coin person than a Paper Money person. He may have forgotten that this is the Paper Money section

As to investing, it's not much different than in any other collector items. No matter what your collecting condition is all important. I would treat any Paper Money collection as a looong term investment.

Coins on the other hand, unless your a real collector can be governed somewhat by the price of precious metals. When Silver and Gold go up your coins go up, you may as well be watching the stock market.

I would much sooner learn how to grade than pay a bunch of money to someone else for their opinion. Use the bunch of money you save on grading to buy more nice notes.

The way I see it is that a lot of the guys that are buying graded currency don't know how to grade and seem to be more than happy to pay someone else to do it for them. I think there missing half the fun of currency collecting, but if your not a collector and just investing the fun part of collecting and learning how to grade wont interest you. If you do learn how to grade, and it's not that hard, you can do some better buying.

Buy raw notes at the right price and you will do ok. When it comes time for you to cash in try selling them to collectors that know how to grade and you should not have a problem.

The last thing I would do is have them graded when it's time for you to sell, at least it will be current grading, remember what IndianGoldEagle said, grading has changed over the last 20 years. Yesterdays Fine may be today's Very Fine, and of course yesterdays Very Fine may today's Fine.

Just goes to show you, cant seem to depend on the guys getting paid the big bucks to grade. And of course if you do end up buying graded currency DO NOT buy the holder the note is in, I don't care who's name is on it, buy the note that has the eye appeal.

I can show Photos of graded currency that not many collectors would want in their collection, but it was graded high by some of the so called "best" graders.
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08/24/2012 1:08 pm
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 Posted 08/24/2012  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I say don't invest, just collect and enjoy
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 Posted 08/24/2012  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add starbuxinvestor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Having no kids I would like to leave my collection to my nephews. Hopefully it will be valuable in multiple ways to them.
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 Posted 08/24/2012  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Having no kids I would like to leave my collection to my nephews. Hopefully it will be valuable in multiple ways to them.


Start getting them interested in collecting now! Most people who inherit a collection are interested in one thing... how much it is worth so they can sell it. Get them hooked now and you will have a lot better chance of them keeping and enjoying it later.
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 Posted 08/24/2012  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Bill Collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very good advice from Nickelman, and buy some books on collecting currency.
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