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"complementary pair"
Two coins which make a pair that is somehow interesting for being well matched. e.g. husband and wife, two co-rulers, two of the same type with different patinas, or any two coins you think of as making a nice pair for any reason.
Stipulation: Each pair must be reasonably obtainable at $200 or less (averaging no more than $100 per coin). The new scoring for this round has a bonus for less-expensive coins.
1) Two (2) pairs max. per Member.
2) any pairs you find nicely paired for any reason
3) Voting: vote for 3 coins in order of preference, Gold (3pts) [NEW, not 4, just 3] Silver (2pts), Bronze (1pt). Bonus of 2 points added to the overall total for pairs possibly obtainable below $100 for the two in the opinion of the host (me), and 4 points bonus if they are possibly obtainable for less than $50 for the pair. (If you submit a pair and they actually cost in these ranges, let us know.)
4) Host computes the totals and announces the winner. Host may enter, but cannot be the winner. Winner chooses next Smackdown Subject and is the next host.
5) You do not have to enter a coin to vote but please do try to enter something.
6) Base your votes on any criteria you like
7) Final decision if two pairs have the same score and the same number of golds will be the hosts choice.
8) Enjoy.
Entries Begin Immediatley and Submission Ends @ midnight EST USA, TUESDAY AUGUST 28, 2012
Voting will last 2 (two) days. Ending at midnight, Thursday, AUGUST 30th.
Let the games begin! -- Warren
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Good subject - bound to see some interesting coins from this one. Like the way the rules are developing too  |
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Edited by Bing
08/25/2012 11:17 am
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 To show you an example of what I meant by a complementary pair, here is one: When Constantine was ruling in the West and Licinius in the East and all other rulers had been eliminated, Constantine promoted his son Crispus to Caesar and Licinius promoted his son, Licinus II, to Caesar. They both issued the "camp gate" PROVIDENTIAE CAESS type, with CAESS spelled with 2 Ss for two Caesars. Here each is seen, bust left in imperial mantle, holding mappa, globe, and scepter. Each is from Heraclea, Thracia, although different issues (not perfect match!). I judge the pair easily obtainable under $100, and possibly at $50, so, this pair would get at least a 2 point bonus. I bought them long enough ago that they were well under $50 total at the time, but I think they might cost over $50 now because the Licinius II is cute. -- Warren |
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Darn, that's a hard one  But I'm up to it  Both acquired at less than 50$ (I'm good  ) Diocletian Silvered Follis 299-303 AD . Carthage mint. Obv.: IMP DIOCLETIANVS PF AVG - Laureate bust right. Rev.: SALVS AVGG ET CAESS FEL KART - Carthage standing facing, head left, A in ex. RIC 31a  And his daughter... Galeria Valeria AE Follis 311 AD. Alexandria mint. Obv.: GAL VALERIA AVG - Diademed and draped bust of Galeria Valeria. Rev.: VENERI VICTRICI - Venus holding apple and raising drapery over shoulder. [crescent]/K in l. field, G/P in r.. RIC 128A  Edited by Dionysos
08/25/2012 12:32 am
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Monogram pair (They may not look pretty, but trust me when I say that these are actually nice for tiny 5th century Roman bronzes) Marcian AE4 (Reign: 450-457 AD) Obv: DN MARCIANVS PF AVG, pearl-diademed, draped, bust right Rev: Monogram within wreath and cross above, CON in ex, Constantinople, RIC 545  Zeno AE4 (Reign: 474-475 AD, 476-491 AD) Obv: DN ZENO PF AVG, pearl-diademed, draped, bust right Rev: Monogram within wreath, THS in ex, Thessalonika, RIC 958  Roma pair I find it very interesting to know that even after a few centuries, the Roma seated left holding Victory reverse was still being depicted on Roman coins and the basic design had not changed in all those years. Trajan AR denarius (Reign: 98-117 AD) Obv: IMP TRAIANO AVG GER DAC PM TR P, laureate head right Rev: COS V P P SPQR OPTIMO PRINC, Roma seated left and holding Victory and spear, Rome, RIC 116  (The same one I posted a few days earlier; I decided for the purpose of the contest to post the better-looking seller's pics) Honorius AR siliqua (Reign: 395-423 AD, this coin was minted between 395-402 AD) Obv: DN HONORIVS PF AVG, pearl-diademed, draped, bust right Rev: VIRTVS ROMANORVM, Roma seated left with Victory, holding inverted spear with hook, MDPS in ex, Milan, RIC 1228 
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08/25/2012 12:44 am
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#1 Maximianus pre and post reform radiates: I have a pet peeve when people call Post Reform radiates of the tetrarchs 'antoniniani' (what we call the pre-reform coins). Post reform coins were not silver bearing or washed when issued but many pre-reform antoniniani have lost their wash so that is not a good sign. Here is a pair which both came from the Cyzicus mint and both have the Concordia Militum reverse. The antoninianus has the XXI mark certifying that it was 4.7% silver (one part silver and 20 parts copper) while the post reform radiate (2/5ths of a follis) does not. I wish I could have posted a silvered antoninianus but I don't have one from Cyzicus or a decent post reform Maximianus from a city that I do have a silvered coin. The same set can be had in Diocletian but I selected these as what was available.  $16 in 2000  $21 in 1999 Edited by dougsmit
08/25/2012 12:43 am
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#2 Anastasius pre and post reform: After many years of shrinking bronze nummi, Anastasius did a coinage reform and replaced a fistful of one nummus itty-bitties (here .3g) with a 40 nummi piece bearing the numeral M (=40). The pre reform coin bears the monogram of Anastasius as a reverse type. I've never seen one with an obverse legend.  $13.20 in 2001  $50 in 2011 (You didn't want to see my $14 from 1987 one did you?) If it were not for the price limit, I would have entered either the happy couple or the 'guests' from my Bride page. While I did not pay over $50 for the happy couple, the groom was $13.50 in 1963 and somebody might have noticed that that was a lot of money for a Septimius in 1963 and disqualified it. The guests share a reverse die (very unusual) and cost too much even back when. You can still see them if you wish: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/do...h/bride.html |
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Right, my interesting pair isn't in massively great condition...but hey, why not enter something anyway. This pair is the Romas:   Greek city of Pergamum in Mysia under Roman Control Bronze 18mm (2.82 grams) Struck 10-100 A.D. Reference Sear GIC 4910; B.M.C. 15. 134, 205 ΘЄΟΝ CYNKΛΝΤON - Youthful draped bust right of the Roman senate. ΘЄAΝ PΩMHN - Turreted and draped bust of Roma right.   City commemorative of Rome. VRBS ROMA, helmeted bust of Roma carrying spear. Romulus and Remus suckling Lupa, two stars above. My pair shows the attitude towards Roma not only over time, but in different places. Pergamum shows Roma as youthful and innocent, wheras the Romans show her as a warrior. Though, that might be quite difficult to see on the coins. Prices? Uh, pretty low in the condition mine is but can be had from ebay for 50 bucks with the patina intact and the city commemerative....50p? |
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Great Smackdown....Hard Subject....good constraints..... Pair # 1 (Father and Son Pair):Empire of the Seleucids 312-63 BC Coin # 1 $75 @ CT coin show May 2012 Demetrius I Soter (The Savior) 187-150 BC AR 29.5mm Tetradrachm, Antioch, Syria (15.17g) Obverse:Demetrius I Reverse: Tyche seated left, holding sceptre & cornucopiae; winged Tritoness supporting throne, two monograms to outer left, date in ex. Coin # 2 $60 @ online Auction May 2012 Demetrius II Nicator (The Victor) 1st Reign d. 125 BC AR 25.3mm Tetradrachm (TYRE Shekel) Phoenicia (12.68g) Obverse: Demetrius II right Reverse: Eagle Left- TYP (Tyre mint) Melkart Club BASILEWS DHMHTPIOY   Edited by Ancientnoob
08/25/2012 11:35 am
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Pair 2# Husband and Wife pair Coin#3 $45 online auction 9/2011 Antoninus Pius Denarius (2.66g) AD 138-161 Obverse: Antoninus Pius (Husband) Reverse: Marcus Aurelius (Adopted Son and Heir) Coin#4 $40 online auction 11/2011 Faustina The Elder Denarius (3.49g) AD 150 Obverse: Faustina (Wife)DIVA FAUSTINA Reverse: Juno veiled Draped standing left. IVNO   Edited by Ancientnoob
08/25/2012 11:24 am
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First entry, Father and son pair. Both under $50 each   AR Denarius MARCUS AURELIUS M ANTONINVS AVG ARMENIACVS PM TR P XIX IMP III COS III RIC 138   AR Denarius COMMODUS M COMMODVS ANTONINVS AVG TP P VI IMP IIII COS III PP RIC III,14a |
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Here is my second pair, brothers, one emperor in the west the other emperor in the east. These coins were from uncleaned lots is an estimated price would be around .25 cents each.   AE3 VALENTINIAN I DN VALENTINIANVS PF AVG SECVRITAS REIPBLICAE K over P left field Q right field gamma SISCV RIC IX, 15a.29   AE3 VALENS DN VALENS PF AVG SECVRITAS REIPVBLICAE star over F left field M right field ASISC RIC IX SISCIA 15b type XVI |
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I was thinking-oww- I think it would make more sense to label the value of the coin not in USD or GBP or Euros but rather in equivalent loaves of bread....then maybe we could extrapolate the true value of the coin...for example a $100USD valued coin in 2012 is equal to approx. 66.6 loaves of bread at local Stop$Shop. This allow collectors from all eras to give actual value for there coins. Also for example the Tetradrachm of Demetrius would probably be a weeks pay for a skilled laborer so figure how many loves of bread can you buy with the tetradrachm? Did it keeps its value? This could be a completely new thread in itself.
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Thought this was going to be hard.....  1st pr. Byzantine Empire... Anonymous class 976- 1038 AD. Bust of Christ holding the 4 Gospels... Rev. Is-XS/ BAS-ILE/BAS-ILE divided in three lines by cross. I paid $ 18 and $22 for these two...   Byzantine Empire..976- 1038 AD.. Anonymous Class A1 Bust of Christ holding 4 Gospels Rev... IhSUS/ XRISTUS/bASILE/bASILE in four lines. No adornments above or below... I paid $40 ea...   |
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Two coins from the two officinae. They are differently engraved dies yet both capture the 'style' of Alexandria.  $45, 2011  $80, 2011... cgb.fr doesn't let go of a coin very cheap. No bonus points here. Two Gallienus Centaurs. First one from France, second from Spain. Both have a similar patina. When I asked, the French dealer described the patina as " marron foncé , noir". I wonder if they were originally found at the same place?  $29, 2011  $48, 2012 |
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Posted 08/24/2012 11:42 pm
