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1858 20 Cent Canada

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 Posted 09/01/2012  12:55 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add joboman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This was the only year the 20 cent coin was minted in Canada. Is it a good investment piece? And how rare is the medal variety compared to the regular one? Just looking for some general info :)
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 Posted 09/01/2012  01:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are usually about 30 of these listed on ebay at any given time,and usually about half that many 1870 quarters.Which one is already overpriced IMO?
Medal alignment is quite scarce.
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 Posted 09/01/2012  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add marbury518 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, according to Canadian Coin News the 1858 coin alignment in MS60 trends at $1200. My coin is
in AU58 bleach white and a super example. I understand that the coin was not popular when issued
and there appears to be some snobbery amongst collectors concerning this variant. This forum says my photo is to large to upload, sorry.

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 Posted 09/01/2012  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like them. Hard to go wrong with a one year type that looks nice, has a pretty low mintage and that was unpopular at the time it was used (eg- many were recalled/melted).
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 Posted 09/01/2012  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rob Turner has an excellent write up on the Canadian 1858 coinage, including the 20-cent piece, in his first book.
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 Posted 09/01/2012  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A must have for every type set,keeps the demand side up.As a one year type they were hoarded by the bushel and despite the recall and melting more than enough survive to outpace the demand.
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 Posted 09/01/2012  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My 2009 article on 20cent pieces, published in the CN Journal, can be found through the link on this webpage.

http://www.victoriancent.com/coin-info.html
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 Posted 09/01/2012  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zonad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One of my favorites.

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 Posted 09/01/2012  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

^^^ Neat

@DBM: You hit it. Everyone HAS to have one, and so it is the demand more than the supply that is the price driver. There are millions of unique paintings and other artwork. So what? Without demand even unique rarity means absolutely nothing.

As for the medal version, it's depressing how few people actually know about the axis of coins. It drives me nuts in some token listings, for example, where the axis IS the critical piece of information that is needed, but the seller is clueless.

I wonder how many 20c medal get sold without the seller even knowing what they had? Or the buyer realizing they got one?

The supply is thus a bit fuzzy.
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 Posted 09/02/2012  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t_y to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a neat coin and quite popular, however, investment? No.

Investment implies profit - you will not make money with this coin. You will no lose either. The coin has an established market value and will stay there.
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 Posted 09/02/2012  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrCanada to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin I love , pre confederation , pretty much 1 year, and only 110,000 left after they were recalled .
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 Posted 09/03/2012  03:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mr. C. - you may want to read the article that I linked to in my previous post.
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 Posted 09/04/2012  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add santafeboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
fascinating article by Rob Turner on the melting of 20 cent coins. Could it be that instead of around 300.000 1858s surving melting only a little over 7000 survived? I consider them one of my favorite early Canadian coins and am thankful to have a single bueatiful example The other contraversy with these coins is the disputed mintage figures of 730.000 or so vs 750.000
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 Posted 09/05/2012  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There really is no dispute on the 20 cent mintage. There are multiple highly credible surviving documents that place the mintage at 730,392. The mint reports of the late 1800's published 750,000 which was based on the order size of 30,000 pounds sterling in 20 cent pieces. I provided the documentation in my first book.
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 Posted 09/05/2012  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is one I recently purchased!

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 Posted 09/05/2012  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 54dollarcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent research as usual BOSOX. I just love the 1858 1/5 dollar...........they sell well for us to! Especially nice VF or better.If you collect Canada decimal type you have to have one!
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