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 Posted 09/14/2012  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mom is the most merciless grader in the building.

I'm seeing what she sees, though. It's a strongly-struck example with honest wear. The (viewer's) left wing is characteristic - these tend to wear early.

Susan's right. I believe she's right because I grade this one VF-25, and 5 points on below-AU coins is the pattern we've established over the years.
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I'd say XF ish, I think the cap is just blurry from the picture. The eagle detail doesn't look VF to me at all.
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OK, let's do a grading exercise, shall we? Below is a PCGS-graded 1818. Not the overdate, but we can agree that both this and the OP coin have similar strike quality. I'm posting these smaller than I normally would as a concession to the relatively-small original images.

Original coin:

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Comparison coin:

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My personal thinking, which is of course only my opinion: The obverse of the new coin is clearly superior, especially notable in the breast. The hair is less-obvious but close study will tend to support my idea. The reverse is more ambiguous, but looking at the eagle's neck, talons and the center of the (viewer's) right wing, I'd call the new coin better.

Anyone else have some thoughts on this comparison? I am ignoring the appearance of the stars since that varies so widely, and the OP coin looks like a later die state than the new one, as the stars are drawn towards the edge.
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Neither of the coins being compared have known weaker strike issues, so these are good coins to compare. The later die state on the original coin does not affect the appearance of wear since, generally, the later die state will be more evidenced by additional cracks and lumps on the coin rather than weaker strike.

I see this coin as a VF25-30. I would need to have the coin in-hand to judge between these two grades as the clasp appears to be VF25 and the wing/talons appear to be VF30. This coin definitely looks superior to the original coin. The clasp is sharper (though still not warranting an EF grade, in my opinion) and the hair a lot less wear with only light wear on the higher points. The curls show more definition and the cap folds are sharper. On the reverse, the left (viewer's) wing detail is considerably sharper and about 35-40% more detail remains in the talons.

Additional info: SsuperDdave's coin appears to be an O-109 which has a rarity rating of 1 (common). The markers are:

Obverse 7: First 1 is higher and wider than 818 and 81 is closest together. The stars are large, well struck, and close to the milling. The date is 9mm and low.

Reverse G: N is higher than you or I. I is pretty far left of upright of the T. 50 C. is 1-1/2mm with the 5 0 nearly as far apart as the 0 C.


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