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 Posted 09/12/2012  9:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have been a subscriber to blue sheet for a few months and have just subscribed to Red sheet.
WOW is there one heap of difference in the pricing and information available on the red sheet.
It has changed the way I bid on coins as of NOW ( Except when I really Want/Need one )
The difference between the market price and the wholesale price is quite interesting
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 Posted 09/12/2012  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jizer1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you give me an example trout? I dont subscribe to either, so I would be curious about the spread in price. For example. I picked up an xf1916 florin. I paid 420 for it. What does each sheet say?
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 Posted 09/12/2012  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Can you give me an example trout? I dont subscribe to either, so I would be curious about the spread in price. For example. I picked up an xf1916 florin. I paid 420 for it. What does each sheet say?

In my opinion you paid way too much for that coin
blue sheet price EF-40 = $120 AU-50 =$200
red sheet price EF-40 = $36 AU-50 = $85
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 Posted 09/12/2012  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jizer1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I suppose you get burned some times. Bit of a bummer.

Are you sure though, because my Australian coin and banknote book has retail price for a 1916m florin at extra fine condition costing somewhere around 525 dollars?

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 Posted 09/12/2012  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Australian coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
O goodie, lets try some simple coins and what I know the current value of.

Compare price.
1921 plain threepence grade low- VG talking $4 â€" $6
1960 florin low grade â€" VG talking $5 - $7

This doesn't take into account current silver price because for the last 2 weeks silver has been up $4 and that makes crap florins like $10ea in silver price which is a total poop if you're a buyer.
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 Posted 09/13/2012  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If your florin is a trie aussie EF then you probably didnt get burned too much. What is the blue sheet price for AU-55. That would be more accurate than AU-50 I would say.

Maybe you could post a picture of the coin jizer?
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Yea I can try taking some pictures tonight or tomorrow. I'll have to barrow a camera, but I'm sure someone around here has a nice Nikon or something.
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blue sheet price EF-40 = $120 AU-50 =$200
red sheet price EF-40 = $36 AU-50 = $85


Trout are you sure they arn't the prices of 1916 Shillings?

You really have gone to the dark side with certified coins .
From my understanding of the red sheet it gives a value that you would expect to receive if you sold a coin to a dealer. In other words the minimum price you can expect for a coin. I dont think you will win many auctions if you stick to red sheet values.

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Trout are you sure they arn't the prices of 1916 Shillings?

You really have gone to the dark side with certified coins .
From my understanding of the red sheet it gives a value that you would expect to receive if you sold a coin to a dealer. In other words the minimum price you can expect for a coin. I dont think you will win many auctions if you stick to red sheet values.


You ar dead right
Blue sheet EF-40 $120 AU-50 $200
Red Sheet EF-40 $70 AU-50 $115.
I buggered up on the red sheet
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What are they for AU-55 trout? That is closer to an Aussie EF isn't it.
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 Posted 09/13/2012  07:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bellyflorin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1916 FLORIN

Redsheet for a AU55 $195 Bluesheet $350
redsheet for a AU58 $340 Bluesheet $600

Greensheet (raw coins) ef $320 and aunc $575

I did see a 1916 au53 sell the other day for $500 ,on ebay

it's hard to find a nice 1916 florin in mid grades .

yep very handy red,blue, green sheet , great job walter
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What are they for AU-55 trout? That is closer to an Aussie EF isn't it.

No AU-55 IS almost uncirculated not Extra fine, AU- 50 to my understanding is the top end of extra fine or EF+
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 Posted 09/13/2012  07:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AC as much as I would love to share the info on these sheets I really cannot do it.
The information is owned by Walter and I pay for the privilege of accessing it , I doubt very much that he would appreciate me giving it out for free.
The information I gave was a one off and I hope I haven't trod on anyone's toes doing it
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I was going by this http://www.pcgseurope.com/StaticCon...parison?l=en

I now realise that is comparison for english grading standards which I have heard are more strict than ours.

I still think a 1916 Florin in EF is worth $250-300 anyday. If its a nice EF then I dont think $400 is too bad.

I tend to go with 50-70% of maccas prices when deciding on a fair price for a coin. High grade examples seem to be closer to catalogue still.
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1916 FLORIN

Redsheet for a AU55 $195 Bluesheet $350
redsheet for a AU58 $340 Bluesheet $600

Greensheet (raw coins) ef $320 and aunc $575

I did see a 1916 au53 sell the other day for $500 ,on ebay

it's hard to find a nice 1916 florin in mid grades .

yep very handy red,blue, green sheet , great job walter


Thanks, if the AU53 was only recent it probably hasn't been updated into the Blue Sheet yet. The last AU graded sale on record is an AU58 on ebay going for $399.
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 Posted 09/14/2012  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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No AU-55 IS almost uncirculated not Extra fine, AU- 50 to my understanding is the top end of extra fine or EF+


I'm afraid not trout. Here is a comparison of Sheldon Grading to ANDA grading from Walters own website.

http://www.numismatics.com.au/Blog/...rading_Guide

scroll down a bit and you will see that AU-55 is the equivalent of aEF.
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