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PCGS VF35 - Same Date - Diff. Wear - Which Is More Correct?

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Poll Question
While no two coins wear exactly the same, how does PCGS give the same grade to two obviously different amounts of wear on these two 1860-O Dollars? I was looking at these two Seated dollars and was doing a side by side comparison and was amazed at such differences in the same grade. The big thing that I noticed was the detail of the wings between the two. The seller of coin "A" states; "Full Original XF Example. Great coin with both XF detail and eye appeal and completely original surfaces" While seller of coin "B' states; "Super PQ++".

Which one of these would you think is more "correct" and which one is over/undergraded?

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Coin "A"

PCGS-VF35---Same-Date---Diff.-Wear---Which-Is-More-Correct?

PCGS-VF35---Same-Date---Diff.-Wear---Which-Is-More-Correct?

Coin "B"

PCGS-VF35---Same-Date---Diff.-Wear---Which-Is-More-Correct?

PCGS-VF35---Same-Date---Diff.-Wear---Which-Is-More-Correct?

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 Coin "A" is overgraded and "B" is correct
 Coin "B" is overgraded and "A" is correct
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09/13/2012 12:04 am
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Coin "B" is net graded for a light cleaning. It has XF level detail.

Coin "A" looks more like a VF30 with it's original skin.
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The second coin has better technicals and would probably have gotten a higher grade with a splash of patina. nlp
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Something that I just noticed on Coin "A" is the rim to dentails area is more defined/separated, not so much on Coin "B".

Or is coin "A" the result of a weak strike/filled die (ONE DOL.)?
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Judging by the difference in the reflection of the light on the PCGS hologram one seems to have been shot in very flat light the other to hightlight detail. I don't know using these pictures you get an accurate comparison of the coins. Not apples to apples to me.
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Or is coin "A" the result of a weak strike/filled die (ONE DOL.)?

I don't think I have seen one where the "One Dol" is that weak before. The weakness in stars on the right, the right side of the eagle's neck, the eagle's right wing, and the eagle's right leg do not appear to be entirely a result of wear. Weak strike does look to be factor in the lack of details.

Coin B does look to have the details of a EF but has been lightly cleaned. It would be nice if you could combine the originality of A with the details of B.
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both are not eye appealing in my opinion, A has been cleaned and B has been overdipped. It should be more crusty and does not look original
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