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1994 20cent Obverse Double Impression?

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 Posted 09/13/2012  08:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add awildeheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all, in my excitement at noodling this coin, my brain can't process what this type of error is called.

1994-20cent-Obverse-Double-Impression?

Close inspection shows an impression of part of the 0 in 20, and part of the swirl, in the face of the queen.

Any idea of value? And name of error type?

Many thanks, M



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 Posted 09/13/2012  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say I'm 99% sure its PMD. If something is indented it is usually PMD. Thats what I'm seeing here.
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Thanks Enworb, I really do appreciate your contribution.

But - and I most am probably wrong and can't recall the name for this type of error - it looks to me like the classic case of a coin being retained in the die and being struck again.

And can this be a PMD with the way the imprint does not transerve the collar/neck of the queen?

Somebody, Enworb, anybody, please help me out with the name of this type of error.



... I'm just about fed up with getting excited about a coin that seems to be a PMD. WHAT do those people hope to achieve? I'm nearly put off enough to stop noodling and stop spending a lot of (otherwise constructive) time on looking for unusual coins.

God! How do other forum members stay motivated?
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I would say its just accidental PMD. There is substantial rim nicks all round the rim which for me back up PMD. We'll see what others think but I'm still on PMD sorry
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I agree that in this instance it looks like PMD.

I think the other error type you were thinking about is Die Clash, where no coin is in the press and the two dies 'clash' imparting an imprint of each die on the opposing die face.

Any coins minted after then will most likely have traces of die clash on them, but they are revers images.

Some times the clash one side is much more noticeable than the other.

This image is part of a 10c clash with the Lyrebird's feathers on HM's neck.

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dont take time from other things to noodle, do it with your spare time and in the mood. I'm up to 7.5kg of 1 and 2 cent pieces for only 9 possible errors so far, not checking them further until I'm finished the other the other 5kg. I pick up a handful when in the mood, storage is my slow down, its costing more than the coins it seems.
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But - and I most am probably wrong and can't recall the name for this type of error - it looks to me like the classic case of a coin being retained in the die and being struck again.

The error you are describing here is a "brockage" - when a coin gets stuck onto one of the dies, and a second coin is created with a mirror-image incuse design on it. But brockages have no trace whatsoever of the design "underneath" the mirror image, since the die for that side never comes in contact with the coin. So they look more like this.

The only way an "error" like the one in the OP can come into existence is if two perfectly normal coins have been squashed together. And that's far more likely to happen outside the mint than it might happen inside.

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I'm just about fed up with getting excited about a coin that seems to be a PMD. WHAT do those people hope to achieve?

As enworb says, many are created "accidentally". For example, imagine you've got a heavy piece of furniture that's sitting on an uneven concrete floor. You need something small, thin and disposable to make it level; a few coins are just the thing. Leave it in place for a few years and your coins will look pretty much like the one in the OP.
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 Posted 09/14/2012  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add awildeheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for their comments. For me, it is a case of better luck next time ...
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