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Graded Morgan Dollar Going Down In Value?

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I have purchased three graded Morgan dollars this month. One being 1921 MS-63, 1885O MS-63, and just bought the wife on E-bay tonight a 1886 MS-64. Well all three have been graded my NGC. Before I buy, I always look up there number at the top to clarify that there real.

As I looked threw my old 2012 Red Book, I noticed that some of the coins are now lower in 2013's book then they where in 2012. Specifically the next coin that I want to buy next month "when I get paid again :)" and that's the 1883CC Morgan dollar.

In 2012 Red Book an 1883CC Morgan dollar is MS64 the coin value is $300.00. Now if you look in the 2013 Red Book, same coin with same MS64 is now a $250.00 coin. How does this happen? Thanks for any response.

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Prices change all the time. Red Book prices arent really that accurate from what I've heard as well. The best source really is complete ebay listings and also http://www.numismedia.com/fmv/fmv.shtml is good
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Oh wow, I didn't know that they move in price so much. I thought Red Book was in a scense like the "coin bible". Thats good to know, but also scared me, especially when you hear people like Barry Chappel talk about the low mints in Carson City, and how there so rare. I don't own any Carson City's, but when I saw I can buy 1 in MS64 for $250.00 I thought, wow they just might be affordable now. I apperciate the quick response. I will deff. have to look at your site you posted in link.

Also I noticed when I did an NGC check on there website, from typing in there grading number, that they too list a price, that is from what I have seen lower than the Red Book as well. Thought I would just bring the question to the experts. Thanks again!
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Actually.....mintage is meaningless when it comes to CC Morgans. In terms of survivability they are actually more common than most other Morgans, especially in High Grade. Q.David Bowers did some survival estimates for his book on Morgans and it is eye opening. If you look only at condition some of them are dead common. They only reason CC Morgans are worth more is that they are....CC Morgans.
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Very intersting take on that jmkendall. Never looked at it that way. All I ever hear about at the 2 coin shows, various gun shows, and the coin store that I used to go too is to buy Carson City Morgans. Thats all you ever hear about on ART&COIN T.V. But it does make sense when you take all of that into consideration.

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Well, with the recent economic down turn many coins are trending downwards in value. In the video below, I use the 1909-S VDB as an example of how inflation impacts the real value of the coin. When times are rough, collectors tend to steer toward lower grades, while simultaneously selling off MS examples to do so.

If you take a few moments to watch my video, I think you will enjoy. Cheers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMDYnncWJYQ
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I thought Red Book was in a scense like the "coin bible"


Its great for information, just not for prices.

The economy is also driving prices down. The longer its in the dumps the less money people have to spend on collectables and less buyers equal lower prices

Personally I think now is a good time if you are in a position too to look at some harder to get coins that were priced a lot higher when everything was going good. Collectables are always the first thing to suffer in down times though think beanie babies.
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The price of a coin above melt is determined solely by numismatic supply and demand. If a particular type, year, or grade falls out of favor its value can fall precipitously.
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The true values can move substantially week to week... depends on what hot, how silver and gold is performing, and even what the Telemarketers are selling. Study the trends in trade publications and online to stay on top of things. I also suggest everyone sell coins occasionally as a reality check on real value.
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Thanks alot for the response. Very good video that you posted drsandman2.
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And Morgan dollars, because they are "popular", suffer ups and downs more frequently
than other series.
They are heavily marketed, because many are available.
And a BIG YES: Red Book, good for information but useless for values.
QVC has yet to offer:
"We have just 10,000 Bust Half Dollars, guaranteed a fine or above in condition."
One cannot market coins which only exist in small numbers.
And there are a LOT of Morgan dollars out there.
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Yeah, thanks for info on RedBook. Never looked at it that way. Now I wonder should I not buy graded NGC Slabbed Morgan dollars, and just buy 90% silver. Or dump the Morgans all together, and focus on like you said some of the older not as well marked coins like Barber Halfs, or Barber Quartes in high grade. Gosh, so many choices, where does one go!! :)
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Go with what you like. If you get caught up in the investment aspect, or are doing this as an investment you'll become miserable....collect what you like and if you can squeeze out a profit that's a bonus.
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Go with what you like. If you get caught up in the investment aspect, or are doing this as an investment you'll become miserable....collect what you like and if you can squeeze out a profit that's a bonus.


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I usually look at one specific date/mm of Morgans but I do remember a couple years ago MS-64's were selling for around 250.00 or more consistently, now they usually go for around 180-230 in MS-64 and these are all graded PCGS/NGC examples I am talking about. I know its not a huge difference but I have definitely noticed it. MS-63's seem to have a bigger margin of difference than what they were selling for back then. If I remember correctly MS-63's were selling around the 150.00 range and now they are lucky to break 100.00 each time
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Good advice Shadow and dave. I don't really do it as an investment, but more or less the joy I get when I open up my safe a see an ever growing pile of coins. Bryan, I did not know that the MS-64's and MS-63's had gone done so much. I notice you have collected for a awhile, in your opinion and anyone can answer this is the Morgan dollar really the coin of choice when it comes to variety, and types, and possible value 20-40 years down the road, or should I consider a different coin all together.
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