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 Posted 03/20/2007  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ferret Lord to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even though I agree that there isn't a magical ebay police to go to his house and get the money, from looking at the bid times and the fact the rapid increase didnt occour until the bid was already 19.99, I think this buyer just wanted to back out of a deal. Why would he place a bid of 6.63 if the current bid is 19.99?
He is full of @#$% but like you said bobby, nothing much you can do about it.
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 Posted 03/20/2007  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Why would he place a bid of 6.63 if the current bid is 19.99?


He didn't. He put his bid in at 14:12:56 PDT when the high bid was $5.74.

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 Posted 03/21/2007  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -JJH- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that there is a slight possibility of a simple typo. It does happen sometimes; a close friend of mine was bidding on a album (LP record) sometime ago, he wanted to enter $10.00, BUT typoed $1000! Fortunately, no-one in this case was bidding against him and he actually had to pay just 10 USD for the record. But anyway, typos do happen sometimes.

But, in this case, I believe, there is something fishy going on, especially the email quote "I ALSO DON'T KNOW HOW A 63 PROOF SET COULD HAVE BID UP TO $65" caught my attention. That smells like an accusation and somehow that sets off all the alarm bells in my head!! I dunno, but me thinks that this is a case of 'bidder remorse', not a case of typo...

But what to do; leaving neg fb means that seller is going to get neg too? Not really an option...

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 Posted 03/22/2007  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basicbob101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with those above who feel something fishy was going on..I just don't know what off hand, other than ignorance. I also agree the ebay system doesn't work well...I have one neg because I left a neg on a guy who failed to deliver on a $300+ item, I proved he provided falsified shipping numbers, etc but ebay would not remove the neg (although they banned him from trading) because he would not agree to it. Now tell me, why would a con artist who is caught agree to remove a neg posting form someone who was instrumental in him being caught?

The only relief I found was going to the State Attorney General's office in his state and filing an online fraud complaint, they investigated and the guy eventually gave me a refund.

In this case since it is a buyer...I dn't see any recourse except remember his name in case he bids on anything again.
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 Posted 03/22/2007  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mathman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my take.

The guy bids $663. If the auction closes at a price he feels is a bargain, he pays for it and goes on. If the auction closes at a price he doesn't want to pay he claims a typo and backs out of the deal.

Win/win for him. Lose/lose for the seller.

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 Posted 03/22/2007  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scmoore61 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had one the other day that looked fishy. It was on a large lot of morgans. There where 6 bidders and the auction was a no reserve. The last minute of the auction some placed a bid and won. When you looked at his bid history 100% of his bids where on this sellers autions.
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The guy bids $663. If the auction closes at a price he feels is a bargain, he pays for it and goes on. If the auction closes at a price he doesn't want to pay he claims a typo and backs out of the deal.

I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. Why go through all that when you can just bid what you're willing to pay?

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 Posted 03/22/2007  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I had one the other day that looked fishy. It was on a large lot of morgans. There where 6 bidders and the auction was a no reserve. The last minute of the auction some placed a bid and won. When you looked at his bid history 100% of his bids where on this sellers autions.


My point of this thread exactly. You're saying it's fishy and from experience I can tell you there's about a 99% chance that you're wrong. We have tons of buyers that snipe and buy from 2 or 3 sellers' exclusively. Would look fishy to most, but certainly isn't. They just found sellers they trust, and that's the extent of it.

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 Posted 03/23/2007  03:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -JJH- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
bobby131313, sometimes it just happens that if you really, really, REALLY want to have some item, you might type a bit too large bid and after winning, you have what someone called 'bidder remorse'. At least, this has happened to me once: I bid on german 2 Reichsmark PoW note some time ago and I entered fairly high bid (because that note was missing from my collection)...couple of hours after bidding, I was kind like hoping that some sucker would go even higher. But, as I feared, I won the auction.

But despite this, I had the b*lls to take it like a man; I paid the item immediately after auction closed and after I received the invoice, I thanked the seller accordingly for smooth transaction and fast delivery and cursed my own stupidity at home.

My point is, that even if you do make a mistake (and we all do them sometimes!), enter too high a bid or anything like that, you just have to take the heat for it. What I cannot understand, are the spineless losers who try to run away from their own mistakes!

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 Posted 03/23/2007  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add drycreek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think his wife found out about his extraordinarily high bid and the hammer fell. That makes this a lot simpler to explain!!
lol

Rob

sometimes there is no explanation to satisfy all!
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