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Belgium
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An acquaintence of mine asked to take a look at a 1996 proof available to international bidders It shows a coin with COA in a box ( 5000 pc 17 gr 920/1000 ) This is a Monnaie de Paris classic in nr of pieces weight purety and box . Only the white hardboard outer wrapper seems missing . The text seems straightforward The coin is in PP66 plus condition So I bid 20 % over melt which is the correct price and am not surprised to be the winner . However I am very surprised getting the coin in a 1 1/2 Euro Silver coin box instead of a goldcoin box .( box is 25% smaller and the cutout is so big the goldcoin dances around in it ) Upon complaining I get the answer the guy is selling a consignment and does not know anything about coins but a blind man can feel the coin in capsule does not nearly fit the hole  Upon further complaint he says he was selling a coin and not a box and the box was not worth more then 2 Euro and he would mail me 2 euro Upon further complaint he offers to refund the purchase price but there was 9 euro one way mail and there will be 14 euro the other way mail I have trouble enough at this time Would it be callous just to neg him ( that would be the first neg ever for me ) ( Oh I forgot to mention I know his kind ; he gave me a pos first and a sack of gummy bears and some sweet talk and hoped I did not notice the box or did not care ) Edited by ageka
03/17/2007 3:14 pm
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Czech Republic
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It's a tough one. The item is not as described, so you have grounds to return it. I cannot read the auction description, but does the seller state his return policy? Does it mention full refund minus the shipping price?
Also, since he already left feedback - the ball is in your court as far as the negative goes. I think you should state your terms to him and if he doesn't agree to them - then give him negative. If he's smart - he will agree.
Just my opinion.
~Roman
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 Belgium
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Thank you for your opinion There is Euro legislation stating return policy is the norm when not buying at home or in a shop ebay sellers normally exclude this policy and emphatically state that by bidding you agree to foresake any return policy and any legal rights under this legislation He did not do this In this case returning the coin costs about as much as keeping it but the vendor seems to "stupid " to fear his first negative He eroneously thinks ebay will not let me leave a negative (which is difficult enough ) My wife left a negative for a buyer of furniture She had to answer 2 questions out of 3 right to be allowed to leave a negative and they are not easy questions She got 2 out of 3 wright  With a little help from hussie  I surfed ebay German policy for an hour The key point is the photographed box is not "real" but a fake So the good vendor is going to get a neg on Sunday if there is no more reaction from him  |
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Is the box pictured in the auction the correct box for this issue? The box pictured seems to have a cutout which is too large for the coin and holder.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Ageka, I'd be inclined to split the difference and leave him a neutral instead of a negative since although the container was wrong for the coin, the coin was OK. Is the COA the correct one for the coin?
On the other hand, I might give the seller a negative for lying about knowing nothing about coins. Most of what few auctions he held which were not "private" were coins. I just don't buy it when somebody who sells a lot of coins says s/he knows nothing about coins. I'd also lean toward a negative for having private auctions. To me, this raises a red flag and is an attempt to deceive.
Fred
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Belgium
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Is the box pictured in the auction the correct box for this issue? The box pictured seems to have a cutout which is too large for the coin and holder.
Nope the box is for a much larger 20 grams silver coin Small box big cutout for silver coins and he pretended not to have noticed the box does not fit I was so busy photograding the coin I did not notice the box did not fit the coin  quote:
I just don't buy it when somebody who sells a lot of coins says s/he knows nothing about coins.
That is exactly what I told him that the way in which he photographed the coin and certificate and box was the way done by professionals to prove the "set" is complete apart from the cardboard . The certificate is correct which means the heirs did not find the right box or indeed he knows about coins but not about boxes . Because boxes are an whole other story. Edited by ageka
03/17/2007 08:52 am
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Belgium
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I got a final answer that between ebay cost and paypal cost the vendor paid like 40 euro what is a gross exageration I think and that he had no money left to give to me So I negged him on the basis that the box is a fake |
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Belgium
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He answered I did not understand the text ( a lie ) and that I did not understand the picture ( true I did not expect the wrong box )  Image:  1996 Grand Place Cert.jpg21.23 KB |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Hi Ageka! Maybe it's just me, but the way he presented the coin it looks like he was trying to hide the large opening in the case. I expect to get the proper holder for the coin that was issued. I think you did what you had to. Mike  |
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Belgium
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Hi Mike
A german coinforum did not understand Monnaie de Paris has bigger boxes with a smaller inlet for half ounce gold coins and smaller boxes with big inlets for 20 grams silver coins . So I posted pics of a complete set of each . It was exactly at that point I noticed that the certificate is placed in such a way as to hide the bigger inlet as much as possible .
The guy has more then 400 positives at 100%
I think he is creazy to take a negative instead of paying me 10-15 euro what would be fair recompensation for the missing box and I am shure he knew what he was doing
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Belgium
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This is the right silver coin in the right box with certificate (It is the silver version of my Avatar and mint colored and the only silver collector item I have  Image: Gavroche zilver.jpg17.32 KB Edited by ageka
03/18/2007 4:42 pm
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Belgium
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Well I got one acquaintance less The guy did want my opinion on the coin but now I have the coin I do not mind since apart from the missing box I got the right certificate and only paid 16% over melt which should make me a gain before the year is out . Also those boxes are completely interchangeble any other Monnaie de Paris box I have will fit . I tried to airblow off all the dust but some must have "bonded" anyway I was to lazy to acetone it off.  Image: 500 FF 70 Ecu 1996 GrandPlace Bruxelles K.jpg36.82 KB |
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United States
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Ageka, presuming gold values increase above the 16% over melt for which you bought the coin, will you sell it as bullion (for eventual melt) or as the coin itself?
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Belgium
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Fred I have no experience in selling outside of ebay apart from exchange agents who offer melt minus 1.5% on any regular coin whatever the type . Regular defined as in the daily price list . On a St Gaudens they will ask a friendly coinshop what to offer and split the gain whatever ( so I never offered them anything over the going rate since god knows they seem to like to put fingerprints allover the coins and they stack them in their vault without even a flip ) I will first have to find out if any coinshop in Brussels is intrested to offer better then melt . I dunno and a lot will depend on timing and the market at the time . Than I will try ebay Germany with europewide mailing and a starting price at melt since I got coins as low as 20% below melt from the unexperienced Then it will be melt minus 1.5 % if everything else fails But selling it at melt does not mean the exchange agent does not sell it as a valuable coin the same afternoon to a coindealer for say 10% over melt |
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United States
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Now that is strange. I've seen Canadian coins offered by Postes Canada in their post offices and all printed material were either in French or English (or both). I suppose it's possible the Royal Canadian Mint prints certificates in other languages, but I have no idea why unless they're trying to do a little balancing of their trade deficit by selling gold outside North America. |
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