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Martian 1909 VDB

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No, this is not a joke. Apparently Nasa used a 1909 VDB as an optical calibration device on one of their landers. I read about this on another forum where the topic was labeled as the most "expensive coin in the universe". There were lots of links and apparently it really is true.

However; my concern is that on this forum many were saying that this coin would have trouble bringing 10k. Now obviously it is NOT the most expensive coin in the Universe ( minus shipping cost).

But I got to thinking, IF that coin was ever recovered and brought back to Earth; and Holdered as the First Coin on Mars; and presented at the right auction.....well I would imagine that bidding could get very pricy. Imagine being the only Lincoln collector to say that you have the ONLY Lincoln to go to outerspace, let alone Mars. Or the first coin on Mars. Or...well you get the message.

This other board was full of what I like to call "Coin Snobs" or what others call advanced collectors. There tends to be a lot of bluster and fluff on that board when it comes to prices...as well as a lot of ego. AS an aside and example, I posted a Comic (it has a Comic forum as well) 4 years ago. It was/is Coverless and so rates as a poor. It is also one of 11 known copies. I was somewhat derided for buying a coverless copy ( never mind that it is the single most difficult issue of Action Comics to find...in any condition); even if it was for $300. Yep, Yep, Yep, got lots of condensending messages on that one; and about two dozen PMs asking to buy it. . I still get a couple dozen offers a year for it, and the current offer is over 2k.

So what do you'all think the correct price would be? Btw it looks about VF/XF...not that it matters that much.
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Factor the cost of recovery into the coin's cost. If you can recover it, you own it. 10K seems on the low side if you were going to sell it.

As for the only Lincoln in space, I would doubt it. Throughout the space program there have been reports of astronauts bring/smuggling all sorts of stuff into space so that they can sell it later.
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 Posted 09/22/2012  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJB17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had some time, so I found some examples:

"A 1611 lead cargo tag from Jamestown colony went up with the STS-117 crew in March 2007 to honor early American explorers; four coins were also part of the historic haul."

"In 1961, Gus Grissom took a roll of dimes on his Mercury flight but they sank with the capsule after the hatch opened prematurely after splashdown. When divers recovered the capsule in 1999, they found the dimes. Seven are now on display at the Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center."

Both from http://motherboard.vice.com/2012/6/...s-into-orbit.
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 Posted 09/22/2012  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I thought of all the smuggled coins too. But this is the difference; this one is the ONLY authenticated Lincoln. There are two quarters with one of the extra solar probes, but I can't remember which anytime soon.

But hey...you know...I work in the Space industry...and one day 20 years ago I was walking behind Pete Conrad when he dropped a dime. I picked it up and tried to hand it to him and he said "Keep it, I went to the Moon with a handfull of those". . It is easy to see the difference that documentation makes on something like that.
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TBJ17 the point was outer space/mars. Earth Orbit doesn't count. And in any event it would still be the only Lincoln documented to go to Mars. As well as the First. And as we all know; there is only ONE first.
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Theres no way that coin would have the slightest bit of trouble fetching 10k. Personally I think that coin would hit 6 figures minimum just to say you have the only coin from mars and theres not likely to be any more anytime soon. Items like that will get even non collectors interested in the bidding
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I think the biggest problem is chain of custody and getting it to someone reputable to tag it as such. If that happens there was a defined plan for the coin since long before the though was mentioned. Just my one cent, it's not even a martian 1909 vdb either...
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 Posted 09/22/2012  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Remember now, though the coin does exist, this was just a what would it bring in a what if scenerio. First I need to get going on my Brussard Ram Jet. I knew that AAE degree would come in handy!
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 Posted 09/22/2012  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We have a topic about this already. Think its about 6 pages long.



https://goccf.com/t/129012
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09/22/2012 10:21 pm
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 Posted 09/22/2012  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And there was the original post on this forum in February

https://goccf.com/t/110297&SearchTerms=1909,mars
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wasn't there some Sacagawea dollars on the space shuttle at one time also?
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Coins in space are nothing new. There was even an ancient Judaean shekel that went up with the Israeli astronaut on the fateful final flight of Columbia; I never heard if that particular coin was among the recovered debris.

As for the discussion in the OP about he value of the Mars Rover coin, let's put it this way. The rover that it is attached to is not intended to make the return trip. So for this coin to "come onto the market", someone is going to have to go there and retrieve it. We don't have the technology to send stuff from Mars to Earth cheaply; any "sample return from Mars" missions anytime in the next century are going to focus on returning actual pieces of Mars to labs on Earth for analysis, rather than pieces of old Earth probes. And if they did want pieces of old probes (to test the effects of long-term exposure to the Martian environment) they'd bring back structural pieces, not collectable trinkets.

You'd pretty much need a large permanent manned base on Mars before anyone has the free time and spare manpower needed to retrieve this coin from this rover. And by the time that happens, souvenirs from space are going to be so "run of the mill" that no-one would want or pay attention to a coin retrieved from an early rover, even if it was the "first coin on Mars".

By that time, the Martian colonists will probably have started making their own coins; the "first coin FROM Mars" would be much more interesting back here. The rover coin may even end up being retrieved in several centuries time by a local coin collector who wants to keep it for his own collection, rather than send it back to Earth.

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Btw it looks about VF/XF...not that it matters that much.

They'd have given it a good scrub to make sure there weren't any nasty Earth lifeforms on it, so it would grade as "cleaned". And by the time a "coin retrieval mission" could be undertaken, the exposed side of the coin will probably have been sandblasted by Martian dust storms into a near-featureless copper disc.
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