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Elephant Coin => Bactrian Kings, Demetrius I ... *sweet*

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 Posted 09/27/2012  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ah ok I see the elephant now (had to compare it with dougsmit's coin). Interesting coin steve
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 Posted 09/28/2012  03:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Earle => sorry man ... I didn't mean to drag you over to the ol' darkside!!




bobbyhelmet => thanks for clarifying what you meant (yes, I also think that the 3/4 side-angle makes the coin look quite life-like) ...

=> thanks for the kind comments, gang ... it makes the hobby even more enjoyable when there are good folks to share it with!!

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 Posted 09/28/2012  07:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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not something you see very often on coins which is quite surprising as it looks so good. Mainly busts are either facing or profile, I guess its considerably harder to cut an attractive 3/4.


I might have to disagree here. 3/4 facing is more common than full front simply because it is really hard to make full front look right. The Byzantine portraits that are full front are really stiff and not all that attractive. Slightly earlier around the time of Constantius II through Theodosius II, we have late Roman solidi with 3/4 that look better than full front would. The best art on coins might be said to be some of the 3/4 facing heads like we saw on Helios from Rhodes. I can't think of a full front head on Greek except for when the intent was to shock you with ugliness like Medusa. Certainly 3/4 is harder to cut than profile but, IMHO, full front is impossible. I don't have one but there are some Licinius I and II coins with full front portraits and they really look weird. I always had to ask what they were thinking with that issue. It did not catch on.

Someone might say that the full front Christ portraits of later Byzantine don't look weird but by that time the portrait was so stylized that I'm not sure the old rules still applied. There is another problem I wonder if was considered and that is how coins wear. The 3/4 pose places the nose and one cheek at about the same height of relief so the nose does not wear off in the first weeks of use quite as bad as it does with full front. We consumers can accept a portrait missing an ear a lot better than one missing a nose. Coins worn to just an outline look OK when profile but really strange when fully front facing. I wonder how much thought was put into coin design realizing that the coins would wear with use and still be expected to represent the ruler in an honorable way?
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 Posted 09/28/2012  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


ahaha ... yes dougsmit, I guess a full frontal view with everything worn-down would look a bit like an old ghost portrait, eh?

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 Posted 09/28/2012  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NOTE => I added-in a photo/sketch of an actual Asian Elephant, directly below my coin photo (refer to my first post on page 1 of this thread) ... I think it certainly helps your eyes figure-out the elephant-head on my coin a little bit easier ...



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 Posted 09/28/2012  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice coin. Out of my budget range for sure.
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 Posted 09/28/2012  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice looking coins of a type I know little/nothing about, which is something I always enjoy...

Here is an example of the facing portrait of Licinius (NOT MINE) as an illustration of what Doug mentions. They look odd and the portrait type didn't catch on.

Elephant-Coin-=>-Bactrian-Kings,-Demetrius-I-...-*sweet*

As Doug also mentions, some of the finest examples of 3/4 facing busts come from Rhodes with some of the Tetradrachms being particularly well executed. I would have to sell off all my limbs and organs to afford one of good style and even then my wife would then kill me...

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 Posted 09/28/2012  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Mainly busts are either facing or profile


Agreed, was misleading to lump facing in with profile. Just wanted to give Steve a quick answer on the 3/4 thing.

I suspect this coin was not cheap Steve but whatever 'eye appeal' is this coin appeals to my eye, been back three times today to have another look

If we have an elephant smackdown I suspect its game over
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Thanks bobbyhelmet .... yah, this coin and my Chimaera-Dove coin are certainly both pretty high on my list of favourites!!

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 Posted 09/28/2012  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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yah, this coin and my Chimaera-Dove coin are certainly both pretty high on my list of favourites!!


I think you say that about all your coins.
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